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    hal81
    ANPR parking ticket for trespassing nightmare
    • #1
    • 22nd Jun 13, 12:21 AM
    ANPR parking ticket for trespassing nightmare 22nd Jun 13 at 12:21 AM
    I been issued with a parking ticket for apparently trespassing in a private car park (behind my house) without a valid permit. There were no signs displayed in the private car park the night before when I parked it. The next morning I confronted the Guy whilst he was writing the parking ticket to put on my car an I told him that there were no signs there the night before, he said that the sign was there and it had fallen to the bottom of the lamp post an it was still visible, which is a complete lie as I did not see it there before . the sign had already been fixed to the middle of the lamppost just before he issued the ticket.

    In the past there were two signs in the car park for trespassing, and i did not park my car there. but the signs had been removed by someone about a month ago.

    The parking ticket was issued at 13:45 , i had confronted him at 13:55, and tried to reason with him, telling him there were no signs displayed. he said it was too late that my details were already on the system.

    The registered keeper of my vehicle is hertz, and im not sure if I will be charged by hertz if they provide my details to ANPR.

    the car park was completely empty, my car was the only one parked there so i can see how this has caused liquid damages to the landlord which is 100 pounds

    No sure what to do, feel stressed.

    PS: The guy who wrote the ticket did say he will mention that the sign was at the bottom of the lamp post on my behalf if i appeal against it.
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    • atilla
    • By atilla 22nd Jun 13, 12:35 AM
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    atilla
    • #2
    • 22nd Jun 13, 12:35 AM
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    • 22nd Jun 13, 12:35 AM
    Just inform Hertz NOT to pay anything and to refer the scammers to you if the make contact.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 22nd Jun 13, 12:55 AM
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    • 22nd Jun 13, 12:55 AM
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    • 22nd Jun 13, 12:55 AM
    Is this ANPR PC or ANPR Ltd?

    You need to respond to the fake PCN and get a grip, it's a scam. You must send an urgent challenge because that will hook the scammers to have to write to you - removes Hertz from the Equation - and will allow you to get to the second stage POPLA appeal. Read the forum please, red any threads to learn about POPLA!

    If this was ANPR Ltd (a joke of a PPC on this forum) then I would like to see their reply to your challenge which should be sent like this (not saying who was driving NOR tipping them off that it was a Hertz car). You can use a less rude version if you like but NOT worded 'I was driving' or anything like that:



    'Dear ANPR Ltd or National Clamps or whatever Trev the Clamp/Bob the Builder thinks up next before he retires,

    I have received a 'ticket' ref xxxxxxxx which was on my vehicle.

    I need to you explain to me, in readiness for yet another POPLA loss funded by yourselves, whether this is issued under the Tort of trespass or as a breach of contract and how the amount is arrived at as it is extortionate. A pre-estimate of loss, never. Clearly it's a penalty in the Dunlop sense, and who are you kidding? It seems you may be expecting me to believe that you are actually in breach of your contract with the landowner to the tune of £100 so of course I require proof of this preposterous contention, which I sincerely believe that your Trev the Clamp has made up. He would have been bankrupt within months if this is how 'ANPR Ltd' run their business, at a permanent loss repeatedly paying £100 to clients every time a car parks. My Goodness, your clients must be rich and laughing behind your backs!

    I can tell you that there were no signs in that place at all when the car was parked, which supports my case whilst diminishing yours...!

    And if 'N Martin' replies and offers to send an independent appeal to POPLA 'on my behalf' then I will report you to the DVLA and BPA Ltd and to the Office of Fair Trading for sharp practice. Your 'big boss' Trev the Clamp knows that if you reject this challenge, a POPLA code has to be sent to me along with a form or a weblink for POPLA, so that I can appeal there myself; obviously an appellant DOES NOT use a POPLA code to write again to N Martin, who appears to need retraining and is in danger of letting people 'time out' as far as timebound POPLA codes are concerned. Why is this, I wonder?

    As an alternative, you could always cancel the fake PCN seeing as it's obvious where this one is going - a POPLA win for me, with online forum help. Good luck with rebutting that.

    Yours,

    PRINT NAME - NOT YOUR REAL SIGNATURE AS THIS IS NOT A DECENT FIRM
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 22-06-2013 at 7:16 PM.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Guys Dad
    • By Guys Dad 22nd Jun 13, 9:01 AM
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    Guys Dad
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    • 22nd Jun 13, 9:01 AM
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    • 22nd Jun 13, 9:01 AM
    Belt and braces. You must make sure that you inform that PPC that you were the driver AND the vehicle hirer that you have informed the PPC, are taking full responsibility for dealing with this and under no circumstances are they to make any payment to the PPC.

    Tell the hirer that you are complying with the POFA 2012 section 4 and require them to comply as well.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 22nd Jun 13, 6:49 PM
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    • 22nd Jun 13, 6:49 PM
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    • 22nd Jun 13, 6:49 PM
    Belt and braces. You must make sure that you inform that PPC that you were the driver AND the vehicle hirer that you have informed the PPC, are taking full responsibility for dealing with this and under no circumstances are they to make any payment to the PPC.

    Tell the hirer that you are complying with the POFA 2012 section 4 and require them to comply as well.
    Originally posted by Guys Dad

    It's a fine line isn't it...whether to 'out' yourself as the driver or not is a hard call (or whether to just imply it by challenging the fake PCN). Because as soon as a PPC knows who was driving they don't even have to bother with POPLA or POFA so makes their life easier in some ways.

    Certainly the OP needs to write so that Trev writes to them.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Stroma
    • By Stroma 22nd Jun 13, 6:58 PM
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    • 22nd Jun 13, 6:58 PM
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    • 22nd Jun 13, 6:58 PM
    Don't admit you were the driver just challenge like you are the keeper, that is allowed under pofa 2012, I would be tempted with sending Coupons letter above just for the entertainment value from Trev but consider this as well. You are considered the keeper of the vehicle only, not necessarily the registered keeper





    Name
    Address

    Date

    Dear Scammers,

    In regards to the invoice received with ref number xxxxxx dated xxxxxx, the keeper denies all liability to your company, if you reject this challenge the keeper requires within 35 days a popla verification code for them to appeal independently, per Version 3 of the BPA Code of Practice.

    The keeper has nothing further to add, and will not respond to any correspondence from your company unless it contains the popla code. If you wish to find out why the keeper rejects all liability, pay the £27 plus vat to popla to find out

    The challenge will be deemed accepted if there is no popla code on any rejection that you supply within the time-frame stipulated above.

    Yours Faithfully

    Your name (printed)
    When posting a parking issue on MSE do not reveal any information that may enable PPCs to identify you. They DO monitor the forum.
    We don't need the following to help you.
    Name, Address, PCN Number, Exact Date Of Incident, Date On Invoice, Reg Number, Vehicle Picture, The Time You Entered & Left Car Park, Or The Amount of Time You Overstayed.
    Anti Enforcement Hobbyist Member
  • kirkbyinfurnesslad
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    • 22nd Jun 13, 7:12 PM
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    • 22nd Jun 13, 7:12 PM
    Coupon mad could you explain this tactic of anpr trying to fool people in letting anpr do the appeal.

    When was this spotted

    Its new on me
    • Stroma
    • By Stroma 22nd Jun 13, 7:54 PM
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    Stroma
    • #8
    • 22nd Jun 13, 7:54 PM
    • #8
    • 22nd Jun 13, 7:54 PM
    It was on a letter someone posted up a few days ago
    When posting a parking issue on MSE do not reveal any information that may enable PPCs to identify you. They DO monitor the forum.
    We don't need the following to help you.
    Name, Address, PCN Number, Exact Date Of Incident, Date On Invoice, Reg Number, Vehicle Picture, The Time You Entered & Left Car Park, Or The Amount of Time You Overstayed.
    Anti Enforcement Hobbyist Member
  • kirkbyinfurnesslad
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    • 22nd Jun 13, 8:03 PM
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    • 22nd Jun 13, 8:03 PM
    Interesting. I'd like to see that
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 22nd Jun 13, 9:24 PM
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    Coupon-mad
    Coupon mad could you explain this tactic of anpr trying to fool people in letting anpr do the appeal.

    When was this spotted

    Its new on me
    Originally posted by kirkbyinfurnesslad

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=61951079&postcount=5

    http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=80363&mode=linearplus

    but it was first seen in a letter from N Martin at ANPR Ltd here:

    http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=80005

    So it's a pattern of IMHO allegedly, fraudulent replies and abuse of POPLA codes by misleading appellants so the codes time out.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

  • hal81
    thanks guy for your help, i will be posting the letter out tomorrow. Should i post the letter via second class recorded so that there is evidence of posting the letter?
    • Stroma
    • By Stroma 24th Jun 13, 7:18 PM
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    Stroma
    No just send it with a proof of postage from the post office, its free for you and proves its been sent to them
    When posting a parking issue on MSE do not reveal any information that may enable PPCs to identify you. They DO monitor the forum.
    We don't need the following to help you.
    Name, Address, PCN Number, Exact Date Of Incident, Date On Invoice, Reg Number, Vehicle Picture, The Time You Entered & Left Car Park, Or The Amount of Time You Overstayed.
    Anti Enforcement Hobbyist Member
  • hal81
    Update. Ive recieved a reply from N martin an he said he contacted the property owner instead of their agent, an the property owner confirmed the signs were displayed ...which I believe is a lie. Also they havent given me the code which I spcifically requested ..instead n martin asked me to write back to him if I feel.i.still want to make an independent appeal. How can I attached the ltter on here as they have wrote some other rubbish aswell.
    • Guys Dad
    • By Guys Dad 6th Jul 13, 1:32 PM
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    Guys Dad
    Why oh why didn't you photograph the fallen sign? It's the same as photographing the scene after a motoring accident - absolutely vital.

    Simple - write back but wait till nearer the time-out deadline.
    Dear PPC,


    Reference xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


    I have made my appeal, given you my reasons for it and asked for a POPLA code.

    You have a fixed time under the POFA2012 legislation to accept my appeal or supply me with the POPLA code. Look it up and you will see what that timescale is.

    The clock started ticking on the date of my appeal (xx/xx/xx). On midnight of the day in question, you lose the right to pursue this further.

    You know it. I know it. The courts know it.

    Regards,


    Clued up motorist.
  • Hovite
    Might be worth adding something along the lines of :

    I do not wish to take up any offer from N. Martin to write my POPLA appeal for me.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 6th Jul 13, 2:04 PM
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    Coupon-mad
    Update. Ive recieved a reply from N martin an he said he contacted the property owner instead of their agent, an the property owner confirmed the signs were displayed ...which I believe is a lie. Also they havent given me the code which I spcifically requested ..instead n martin asked me to write back to him if I feel.i.still want to make an independent appeal. How can I attached the ltter on here as they have wrote some other rubbish aswell.
    Originally posted by hal81

    Can you triple check that letter that he hasn't hidden a 10 digit code in there somewhere, even within another paragraph about 'how to pay'? N Martin has done this before, check the letter with a fine tooth comb and confirm is there a 10 digit code hidden somewhere?
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

  • hal81
    Yes there is a verification code which is 10 digits.he said to.write back to him quoteing this code. What does.this mean??
  • hal81
    Is.there anyway I can attached the letter on this.for forum or by messaging.
  • kirkbyinfurnesslad
    Please email the letter to info@popla.me.UK pls.

    You can also load it up on photobucket n put the link up.

    They really are the pits. They are trying to trick u. You should appeal to popla directly
    Please complain to the bpa and dvla to about this nasty practice.
    Last edited by kirkbyinfurnesslad; 06-07-2013 at 6:26 PM.
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 6th Jul 13, 9:28 PM
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    Umkomaas
    Definitely don't have any further communication with this company now you've got your POPLA code.

    Leave the next communication with them to POPLA
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