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    • vet8
    • By vet8 21st Jul 09, 7:59 PM
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    A moral dilemma. What would you do?
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    • 21st Jul 09, 7:59 PM
    A moral dilemma. What would you do? 21st Jul 09 at 7:59 PM
    I would like to know how people would react to a situation which happened to my brother recently. I know in advance how the po-faced, holier-than-thou banking staff will respond, but I would like to know what “normal” people think.

    My brother was on holiday in Jersey and on the last day he went to an ATM to withdraw some cash. Just as he was about to insert his card the machine shoved out a large wodge of notes. There was no-one around and he had not noticed anyone walking away from the ATM when he arrived, so he grabbed the money and shot off. He met his wife and friends and they counted the cash - it was £300!!

    He then spent about an hour debating what to do. He had not got as far as putting his card in the machine, so the bank had no way of identifying him that way. There would have been CCTV probably, but he was leaving the island in a few hours and would be miles away before the money was even missed. In the end he decided he did not want to risk it and took the money back to the bank, handed it over to a very surprised cashier and left quickly.

    What would you do in that situation?

    I must say that I would be very inclined to take it if I thought I could get away with it. Yes I know it is not my money and it would be theft, but I feel no compunction at all about taking money from banks. They are the biggest corporate crooks going and the chance to get something off them for free is too good to miss. I also take the line that I am one of the few workers who keep this country going, unlike the scroungers. I am (usually!) honest and hard working, I pay lots of tax and NI, pay my TV licence, car tax, car insurance, council tax etc. etc. I never claim any handouts and get nothing for free, so to have a bit of luck like this and get £300 given to me would be too much to pass up.
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    • Lokolo
    • By Lokolo 21st Jul 09, 8:00 PM
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    • 21st Jul 09, 8:00 PM
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    • 21st Jul 09, 8:00 PM
    I would have let the cash point take the money back in.

    I would hate to thing if someone was on their last bit of money and I had taken it. I would feel terrible.

    If I had the money, I am not sure what I would do!
    Last edited by Lokolo; 21-07-2009 at 8:03 PM.
    • vet8
    • By vet8 21st Jul 09, 8:05 PM
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    • 21st Jul 09, 8:05 PM
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    • 21st Jul 09, 8:05 PM
    I agree with this, but he said he saw no-one around at all and I also think that if someone had asked for £300 and then disappeared before it came out they would most likely be a card thief using the ATM to steal someone else's money. You would need to be incredibly stupid to ask for £300 and leave before you got it!
  • simon templar
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    • 21st Jul 09, 8:35 PM
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    • 21st Jul 09, 8:35 PM
    The £300 quid would not be the fascist, nazi, communist, redneck, nasty, evil satan banks though would it? It would be some customers money.
  • Extant
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    • 21st Jul 09, 8:41 PM
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    • 21st Jul 09, 8:41 PM
    That machine will have recorded a successful dispense for £300 - so no ATM dispute will be agreed, no difference found, and somewhere, a customer is out of £300.

    It's not £300 "given" to you, it's £300 that you've chosen to take. The justification of "I'm a hard worker who pays tax" doesn't cut it - nothing to do with the government here, and you're compensated for your work anyway.
    What would William Shatner do?
    • simax
    • By simax 21st Jul 09, 8:47 PM
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    • 21st Jul 09, 8:47 PM
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    • 21st Jul 09, 8:47 PM
    Would someone do the same for me?

    No.

    I'd keep the money.

    (But then, I'm not that lucky lol)
    • vet8
    • By vet8 21st Jul 09, 8:49 PM
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    • 21st Jul 09, 8:49 PM
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    • 21st Jul 09, 8:49 PM
    That machine will have recorded a successful dispense for £300 - so no ATM dispute will be agreed, no difference found, and somewhere, a customer is out of £300.

    .
    Originally posted by BarclaysManager
    So how did the ATM spew out £300 without any customer being there? The "customer" would have been ripped off by the bank as he had not tried to take the money out.
  • al4x
    • #8
    • 21st Jul 09, 8:54 PM
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    • 21st Jul 09, 8:54 PM
    say it was infact no ones money from a direct bank account, keep it! give a 100 to charity and be done!
    • Lokolo
    • By Lokolo 21st Jul 09, 8:55 PM
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    • 21st Jul 09, 8:55 PM
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    • 21st Jul 09, 8:55 PM
    So how did the ATM spew out £300 without any customer being there? The "customer" would have been ripped off by the bank as he had not tried to take the money out.
    Originally posted by vet8
    Pretty sure I have never seen an ATM just give out £300 before.....

    And if I saw £300 come out of an ATM and "looked around" I am pretty sure I wouldn't be able to tell if someone had just used it.
    • *Vikki*
    • By *Vikki* 21st Jul 09, 8:59 PM
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    I would have so kept it! Finders, keepers, losers weepers!
  • worbikeman
    Have you seen the film "Shallow Grave?". Some students come upon a suitcase full of cash and dont know what to do with it........I wont spoil it for those who havent seen it, but....good film!
  • simon templar
    Im sure Vet8 would not be so happy if someone had walked off with £300 out of his account.
  • dramaqueen1973
    Would someone do the same for me?

    No.

    I'd keep the money.

    (But then, I'm not that lucky lol)
    Originally posted by simax


    DITTO!!!!
    :confused: I NEED TO CHANGE MY BAD LUCK RUN!!!!:confused:
    • chambta
    • By chambta 21st Jul 09, 11:39 PM
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    Someone walked away and left it. There's no other explanation as ATMs do not just fire money out!
  • the182guy
    In situations like this, and the other thread on here where someone was creditted with 40k I don't think morals come into it.

    First things first is can you be convicted in a court of law for the actions you decide to take. If the answer is no then morals do come into it.

    In this case in my opinion your brother did the right thing, they will have CCTV footage and there is a chance they could find someone from that. For 300 quid it's not worth the trouble of having it come and bite you on the ar** in future with a criminal record and fine perhaps much larger than the sum in question.
    • seven-day-weekend
    • By seven-day-weekend 22nd Jul 09, 12:34 AM
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    I would have given the money back. It would not be mine and someone else would be £300 down.

    I don't care what 'crooks' the banks are, or whether other people would do the same for me. All I know is I have to act in accordance with my conscience. To do anything else would be as wrong as anything the banks do.
    To love someone is to learn the song in their heart and to sing it to them when they have forgotten it
    'I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen. Not only because I see it, but because I see everything by it': C.S. Lewis
    St. Augustine — 'In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity.'
    • bengal-stripe
    • By bengal-stripe 22nd Jul 09, 12:39 AM
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    ........I feel no compunction at all about taking money from banks. They are the biggest corporate crooks going and the chance to get something off them for free is too good to miss.
    Originally posted by vet8
    Admit it, you made that story up to have a rant at banks.
    • simax
    • By simax 22nd Jul 09, 9:02 AM
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    Im sure Vet8 would not be so happy if someone had walked off with £300 out of his account.
    Originally posted by simon templar
    You'd probabaly also find Vet8 isn't that stupid.

    If you walk off and leave £300 of your own money hanging out of an ATM, you deserve to lose it. It's the most idiotic thing to do!
  • never-in-doubt
    You'd probabaly also find Vet8 isn't that stupid.

    If you walk off and leave £300 of your own money hanging out of an ATM, you deserve to lose it. It's the most idiotic thing to do!
    Originally posted by simax
    vet8 isn't stupid true, but this is about their brother remember....

    For the record, i'd be keeping it as well - thats nothing to the geezer thats got £40k in his bank


    ATMs do not just fire money out!
    Originally posted by chambta
    actually...... they do. May I suggest (even for a Natwest employee) that you check this fact being the last big case involved your very employers.....!
    • SailorSam
    • By SailorSam 22nd Jul 09, 9:33 AM
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    It's exactly the same as if you found £300 as you were walking along the road or was on the seat when you got on a bus.
    Somebody has lost it, and you can be sure the bank is'nt going to stand the loss.
    The question is just about morals.

    I don't like blowing my own trumpet but when i drove a cab i found £200 on the back seat, i retuned it,
    Last edited by SailorSam; 22-07-2009 at 9:37 AM. Reason: adding another point
    Now that i'm what you could describe as an older person i've stopped eating health foods.
    I need all the preservatives i can get.

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