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    • nic2075
    • By nic2075 29th Oct 08, 4:22 PM
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    Should I pay..Civil Enforcement Ltd?
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    • 29th Oct 08, 4:22 PM
    Should I pay..Civil Enforcement Ltd? 29th Oct 08 at 4:22 PM
    I got a ticket in this morning from Civil Enforcement Ltd saying I had a parking charge of £40 (if paid within 14 days or £70 after that!!) They say I was parked over the allowed time (3 hours) and they had photographic proof but I had to pay £10 to get it??
    I live in Scotland and this company is in Liverpool. I was parked at the Rivergate retail park in Irvine Scotland for no more that 2 1/2 hours, Im positive of this as I had to be back to get the kids form school. Im worried about appealing incase it goes over the 14 days then the amount goes up.
    Is a Civil charge the same as Law enforcement, what will happen if I dont pay it.
    I dont have a spare £10 for the pic let a lone £40. any advice is apreciated.
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    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 29th Oct 08, 4:27 PM
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    • 29th Oct 08, 4:27 PM
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    • 29th Oct 08, 4:27 PM
    A civil charge is a civil matter for the county courts (not a criminal one for the magistrates courts).

    Ignore the letter completely, don't respond or appeal.

    For definitive advice go to the pepipoo site.
  • hewhoisnotintheknow
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    • 29th Oct 08, 4:35 PM
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    • 29th Oct 08, 4:35 PM
    na, send em nothing
  • TiTheRev
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    • 29th Oct 08, 4:55 PM
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    • 29th Oct 08, 4:55 PM
    How do they have your details?
    Luke 6:38
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    • nic2075
    • By nic2075 29th Oct 08, 5:00 PM
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    • 29th Oct 08, 5:00 PM
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    • 29th Oct 08, 5:00 PM
    How do they have your details?
    Originally posted by TiTheRev
    I take it they have gone through the DVLA, I didnt think this was allowed?
    • darich
    • By darich 29th Oct 08, 5:04 PM
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    • 29th Oct 08, 5:04 PM
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    • 29th Oct 08, 5:04 PM
    i also believe that you can argue that the "contract" agreed to by parking is between them and the driver. The driver is not necessarily the owner.
    That being the case, you can instruct them to prove who was the driver and provide all of their details to confirm they know who the driver is. They'll obviously be unable to do this and the case then falls apart.

    But as someone said, try pepipoo for further info.

    Incidentally, i'd send them nothing.

    Keen photographer with sales in the UK and abroad.
    Willing to offer advice on camera equipment and photography if i can!
    • Bean Counter
    • By Bean Counter 30th Oct 08, 10:57 AM
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    • 30th Oct 08, 10:57 AM
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    • 30th Oct 08, 10:57 AM
    We've just had a similar ticket relating to parking at Kinnaird Park, Edinburgh.

    We've decided to ignore it and see what happens, similar to the rest of the advice above.
    Today is the first day of the rest of your life
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 30th Oct 08, 11:08 AM
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    • 30th Oct 08, 11:08 AM
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    • 30th Oct 08, 11:08 AM
    You need to stare them out - their letters become more and more threatening. Just bin them.
    • sarahg1969
    • By sarahg1969 30th Oct 08, 5:06 PM
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    • 30th Oct 08, 5:06 PM
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    • 30th Oct 08, 5:06 PM
    You need to stare them out - their letters become more and more threatening. Just bin them.
    Originally posted by Quentin
    With ever more bold print and EVEN on different coloured paper.

    I personally wouldn't bin them, though. Keep them somewhere safe.

    Just be happy that you have cost them £2.50 to get your details from the DVLA (which they are allowed to do - the DVLA will release them to anyone who has cause to request them).
    • gsmmad
    • By gsmmad 30th Oct 08, 6:27 PM
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    i would actually suggest a different approach. Go on websites where they deal with things like this all the time. they will give u templates of letters to send off which is the best thing to do.

    I got one of these i ignored it and i am now passed down to newlyn or something a baliff company who havent tried anything but send me letters. I got 2 so far in the last year. I am going to write them a couple of letters if i get another letter but its not a good fealing being passed down to a baliff company.
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 30th Oct 08, 6:44 PM
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    If you don't acknowledge them in any way they cannot hassle you personally. The bailiff companies are usually all part of the same operation, and won't be court appointed bailiffs.
    • tomstickland
    • By tomstickland 30th Oct 08, 7:50 PM
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    The advice on Pepipoo is to not reply to any of them.
    Happy chappy
    • nic2075
    • By nic2075 30th Oct 08, 8:43 PM
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    We've just had a similar ticket relating to parking at Kinnaird Park, Edinburgh.

    We've decided to ignore it and see what happens, similar to the rest of the advice above.
    Originally posted by Bean Counter
    hi beancounter, is it the same company as this one Civil enforcement ltd? Im taking all the advice and going to ignore it, i just wish i could find someone who has dealt with them. My boyfriend has had several 'tickets' from parking at the Parkhead Forge while the footies on, his mates a top policeman and told him to never send them anything, hes never had any follow ups from them. but again it was a Glasgow firm.
    • sarahg1969
    • By sarahg1969 30th Oct 08, 9:32 PM
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    If you look on pepipoo, you will find some discussions about Civil Enforcement.
    • anewman
    • By anewman 30th Oct 08, 10:06 PM
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    hi beancounter, is it the same company as this one Civil enforcement ltd? Im taking all the advice and going to ignore it, i just wish i could find someone who has dealt with them. My boyfriend has had several 'tickets' from parking at the Parkhead Forge while the footies on, his mates a top policeman and told him to never send them anything, hes never had any follow ups from them. but again it was a Glasgow firm.
    Originally posted by nic2075
    Ah well, at least clamping is illegal in Bonnie Scotland so they can't try that one for a repeat offender.
    • Bean Counter
    • By Bean Counter 31st Oct 08, 9:15 AM
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    hi beancounter, is it the same company as this one Civil enforcement ltd?
    Originally posted by nic2075
    It is not the same company (can't remember the name, though!)
    Today is the first day of the rest of your life
  • Pew Pew Pew Lasers!
    i would actually suggest a different approach. Go on websites where they deal with things like this all the time. they will give u templates of letters to send off which is the best thing to do.

    I got one of these i ignored it and i am now passed down to newlyn or something a baliff company who havent tried anything but send me letters. I got 2 so far in the last year. I am going to write them a couple of letters if i get another letter but its not a good fealing being passed down to a baliff company.
    Originally posted by gsmmad
    I'd like to see a bailiff try operating lawfully without a court order.
  • robert_harper_2000
    They have not once gone to court over this, they threaten but it is big on pepipoo and this company is a joke
    Help me to help you
  • mags13
    Parking in Irvine
    I too got a parking ticket from Irvine Multi Storey car park today. I have read all the forums saying you should not pay. I would love to hear the outcome of your ticket, nic2075
    Last edited by mags13; 09-04-2009 at 6:13 PM.
    • mrcow
    • By mrcow 13th Jul 09, 12:37 PM
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    Hi Nic - just was wondering what happened with this (if anything?)

    I've had an identical letter from these people today. I'm going to file it and see what happens, just wondered how you got on with it?
    "One day I realised that when you are lying in your grave, it's no good saying, "I was too shy, too frightened."
    Because by then you've blown your chances. That's it."
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