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  • Jakg
    Jakg Posts: 2,265 Forumite
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    Milestones = Terrible. Fives = Less bad.
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  • prowla
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    I went in PC World a week ago, looked around, spotted two 20" LCD screens at a very good price, picked them up, went to the till and paid for them.

    I went in this week and didn't find anything in the massive sale they are having and didn't get anything.

    When I buy something and they try and sell me the extended warranty, I just say "don't bother", and it usually does the trick. However, the 'drop it after 2 years' technique does seem attractive; there's nothing better than scamming a scammer!
  • ynot2005
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    i agree pc performance is not a scam, but the underhand lying sales tactic that was used to sell to me/my mother was a scam.

    i think the public are vunerable in pc world for getting scammed into buying pc performance because a lot of people who are "technology thick" i cant think of another phrase at the moment feel out of their depth and uneasy and are more likey to nod and agree to a salesman more than if they were buying almost anying else.

    the sales staff give it some techno waffle and see the blank expression on the customers face and go for the scam
  • Jakg
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    How is it a scam? I work for PC World and sell this product and have never "scammed" a customer into buying it.

    I explain the details and the benefits - and if they say yes, then great (although usually give them the first month free because i'm nice), if they say no i'm allowed to be a little bit flexible with the price (but if I do this I do always explain exactly how they can cancel it if they choose to).
    Nothing I say represents any past, present or future employer.
  • dhj
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    It's only a scam in the same way as buying anything from a position of ignorance (no offence intended to the unwary buyer here) from somebody who exists to offload what they are trying to get rid of, is . As has been pointed out in an earlier email, the warranty extends for 6 years so why bother? As for software, as an example, unless you have very specific needs there is no reason to buy ANY software as almost everything can be had for absolutely nothing, including utilities to recover deleted files. (Even an operating system, althoughv I accept that most people wouldn't be comfortable with Linux !). I assume PC World staff are aware of this so trying to persuade somebody to buy something which they clearly don't need and, in some cases, is detrimental to the computer operation (such as Norton) is disingenous to say the least. From the buyer perspective you should find a relative or friend with some knowledge to help you through the myriad of permutations, have a look at the item in a shop and then go home and buy it from e****r or d***s.
    As an example neither me or my family or friends have ever had cause to buy ANY software be it anti-virus, firewall, office software and even music software as it's all there, for free.
  • Jakg
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    So you can get Office 2007 free, then? Oh no, you have to use OpenOffice. Which isn't as good.

    So you can get Vista for free then? Oh no, you have to use Linux of some description. Which means I can't use the apps *I* want to use (which there aren't Linux versions of and Wine doesn't work with) which is where it falls down.

    Norton is £30 when you buy it with a PC, and AVG is free - but AVG isn't a firewall. And tbh, AVG isn't that good either - ATM i'm using Avast, but for most "less technical" people they need a more... intrusive AV solution. I *used* to hate Norton, but since I've actually had a chance to use Norton 360 v2 it's impressed me a lot - it's not that bloated, very good detection rates and it's great for someone who's not so good with PC's. FTR I *used* to use AVG, then I stopped (because I realised that common sense can protect me), and then I started again (when I realised it had no impact on my PC's performance at all). I also put it on the GF's laptop. And she got a Virus even with it installed...

    PC Performance doesn't just do a warranty - it also gives them a 4p a minute support line if they need help (which, frankly, they most likely will setting up their PC). Also, on a laptop the warranty aspect covers accidental damage which a lot of faults with laptops end up being palmed of as (speaking from someone with a laptop with a broken screen, here...

    Would I use it personally? No, because I can fix my own stuff - Would I recommend it to a less technical person who may get a benefit from it? Yes! Like I said - I usually give my customers the first month free, if they don't like it then they can cancel - I can't really say fairer than that tbh!

    I use lots of free software - ATM using Chrome, with XMPlay playing Music using MobilePhoneExplorer etc - but at the same time other software, such as UltraMon, Games or Vista itself is NOT available free.

    EDIT - What I would like to say is that i'm quite a technically skilled person (well, imo - without sounding egotistical), I've been building PC's for years etc, and so selling PC's isn't really that hard for me - and sometimes I will recommend free software to the customer (i.e. VLC - Which is great), but at the same time if I see a customer who thinks AVG will protect them against anything and is free I will make them aware of it's flaws - Simply because most people who need my help obviously aren't that technical and are going on half-truths from their friends which have no real basis in reality (i.e. "I heard Vista was crap" etc). Some other people who work there are less like me - They need a job, and they just learn the PC Stuff on the job (or make it up :(), but there are a few good people at PC World.

    And although it's minimum wage, it's minimum wage for a 21 year old - I'm 17 and what I get at PC World is the best pay i'll get at my age...
    Nothing I say represents any past, present or future employer.
  • dhj
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    Nope, you're still being a tad disingenous here. Unless you really know your business it would be unlikely that you would buy a machine without an operating system but even you have to admit that Vista is so bad even Microsoft are back pedalling furiously and have extended the life of XP. What I was saying is that having bought the machine there is no reason to buy any additional software at all for the majority of users. Of course if you are a gamer then these aren't free but then you have to ask why you would buy a pc? The original email wasn't from a gamer though was it ? I don't want to get into a technical flame war with you and I certainly wouldn't criticise your choice of a job I'm just saying that things are not always what they seem and you needn't spend money you needn't. Having been a 'techie' since 1979 I was brought up being able to either build, code or use free software so perhaps I'm just an old fuddie, duddie !
  • Jakg
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    I don't buy PC's without an OS, because the range is very very poor, and because when I bought my laptop I wanted Vista anyway, I have no problem installing an OS, but what's the point when I can get it cheaper with the OS already installed than having to buy a copy myself?. When I bought my eee second hand I actually tried to get one with Linux on, but actually found it was cheaper to get a Windows one (which turned out to be a dodgy version but meh) as I already had a "spare" XP key.

    I didn't "buy" my main PC without an OS - I built it from scratch so it didn't come with any OS at all...

    I really don't think Vista is bad at all - I really can't see what's wrong with it, although I will admit just like any other M$ OS you do have to tweak it a little to get the junk out... My experience has been from running it on fairly high spec machines (i.e. a Quad with 6GB of RAM or a C2D with 2GB of RAM), but I will admit running Vista on a PC with 512MB of RAM is terrible - but then what do you expect tbh.

    The majority of users want to go on the internet, perhaps sync there iPod or whatever and write letters etc - OpenOffice, YamiPod and AVG do have their uses, but personally I think OpenOffice is utter crap, and so do a lot of people I know who've paid for Office. You can use AVG and then a free firewall, but so far the only 2 i've found (Comodo or ZoneAlarm) have again been rubbish, so I'd still recommend a paid-for AV solution.

    Why did I buy a PC if I play games? Simply because I like to have a PC and i'll be !!!!ed if i'm gonna go and buy a £200 box to do the same thing, and also because the sort of games I like (i.e. simulations / RTS') aren't on consoles.

    If your happy to buy a PC on it's own, then fine. Some customers do - but at the end of the day if your writing letters etc you NEED an Office Package, and OpenOffice isn't very good at all. Going on the internet? You NEED some sort of Internet Security - Not neccesarily Norton, but Kapersky, BitDefender, NOD32 etc - but the free stuff is not suitable for the sort of person that shops in PC World imo.

    EDIT - If by "know your business" you mean I know my stuff about your PC's, then you'd be right - I'm a reclusive Geek :P
    Nothing I say represents any past, present or future employer.
  • Rainbow_Butterfly
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    I dont have much to say on the PC performance front but just wanted to join in with the PC world bashing.

    I have been in twice in the last year.. once looking for a desktop.. told sales advisor what minimum specs I was looking for.. he then looked at me confused and tried to show me a laptop.. I said no I dont want a laptop, I want a desktop.. he said... ahh right ok.. and then tried to show me a different laptop. AGAIN I said.. no I do not want to buy a laptop.. do you have any desktops with the specs I asked for.. he then said no.. but we do have this laptop... At this point I told him to forget it and walked out. I looked on their website and they did have desktops with the required specs but I ended up buying elsewhere.

    The other time was a couple of months ago, was looking at getting a dell studio 17 laptop online and went in to have a look at a phsyical model of it.
    My price from Dell... £449
    Lower spec model in PC World.. £799!
    The sales advisor came over and started waffling about what a good deal PC world had on it.. I said no not really I can get it for £250 cheaper.. he looked a bit put out and then said.. erm... shall I take it to the till for you?

    Erm.. no. :shocked:

    Morons most of them, havnt got a clue.
  • trisg_2000
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    Im sick of hearing how PC world or Dixons groups try and rip people off, its rubbish. I’ve worked for PC world for over 3 years now and I’m currently training as a store manager, I’ve read many threads on this site about how the PC performance products that PC World sell are rip offs when actually there in place to bypass the manufacturers warranty so YOU don’t have to deal with the issues the manufacturers give you if something goes wrong, WE DEAL WITH THAT EVERYDAY so YOU can walk in and pick up your machine when fixed, also it gives you free online back up, and on top of that it offers you data recovery, accidental damage cover and a software support line if you have problems with generic software like office or internet security which not all people are clued up on (like my dad for example who hasn’t got a clue and has PC performance so i don’t have to go and sort out his problems every 2 seconds); yeah, to a certain extent the teams are targeted on it but if a customer doesn’t want to take it then YOU as the customer have a choice to say yes or no (the sales guys don’t sell it cos there targeted on it, they sell it cos they know not everyone is clued up on PC's and may need assistance), its there to benefit the customer not to hinder them, the people who cant make that decision themselves are just as bad as the ROBOTS that PC world apparently employ, There not robots, they are human beings who are trying to do there jobs so the public can walk away with what they came into the store looking for!! the selling methods that the Customer Advisors use are in place to make sure the customer goes away with everything they need, not for them to return a day later because they didn’t walk away with the cable they need to connect there new laptop to there HD TV and then shout at the advisor because they didn’t tell them, Not all customer advisors can be trained in every product on the shop floor and if you are looking for a machine with a certain graphics card or certain speed of ram then there are specialists in store that can help you answer these questions, but you could do some research on the product before you choose to buy instead of telling everyone how poor the sales assistant was because they didn’t know what chipset a laptop had, i’ve walked into a number of computer stores and asked many different questions about certain parts and been shown a blank face, i once asked a Sony rep in a Sony store the refresh rate of an LCD TV and who looked at ME like i was stupid . Lol......hey, if you buy your laptops from Tesco or comet next time......see what reply you get when asking complex questions!!! i bet you it wont be to the high standard a PC World advisor will give you.

    The customer advisors are there to help you but you can also help yourself, i’ve worked in many retail stores, from clothes to food retail and IT/electrical goods is the hardest cos your not just selling a piece of hardware, your also selling software and trying to match a customers needs. IF PC world Wasn’t around then where would the high street shopper go to buy a laptop?? TESCO, Carphone warehouse, Comet, Staples.....everyone one of those stores sells laptops as a secondary product....not as there primary!! And if you are buying a laptop from one of these store then you really need to consider what level of after sales you will receive. Im a qualified mac technician, Microsoft qualified and trained on most products on the shop floor and so are nearly all the guys i work with. I buy all my IT Kit from PC world, not cos i work there, but because i know what they will have in stock and its just down the road, where i don’t have to wait 2 days for delivery, people who buy from the net already know what spec machine there looking for and parts there need so why give the sales guys a hard time if you already know what you want?? to try and make them look stupid?? i could sit here and argue IT all night long but i don’t cos i understand that not everyone has the knowledge that i have when it comes to IT and some guys in store and fully trained on TV's, Networking or digital cameras, not everyone in store is super clued up on every in and out of a laptop or desktop, they have a very good understanding if told what you are using the machine for but who is gonna constantly know what chipset is in which machine without looking when asked? if there’s someone who can do that then i would be impressed, but I’m sure the customer advisors will try there hardest to seek that information for you.

    In all my time with PC world i have not once pressure sold to any of my customers, and would never do so, most of my customers will come back and see me on a monthly basis with what they need and i sell to some very large companies (which have there very own specialist IT departments) through PC world business, the impression i get from a lot of these threads is that your sales assistants that have served you have tried to match what your looking for and may of just been mistaken in what you are asking, take some time with the guys to explain what you are after and they will explore all possibilities as you have come in and asked for assistance....don’t be angry when you get it!

    The tech guys are constantly improving there services and the drop in service which run in our store is second to none, the guys work extremely hard to deliver on time and make sure all jobs are carried out perfectly,
    i would rather trust my computer to the tech guys than the second rate odd job technician that my mothers uncles friend knows through a mate!! as everything you bring into the store is signed for, booked in and notes are taken during the jobs carried out, if you don’t like what has been done to the machine, we can look back and see what has gone on.

    Yes....you can get the majority of software from the net these days, but if you want licensed software then YOU BUY IT, you don’t torrent it off some dodgy torrent site (look what happened to Piratebay) and many people don’t know how to do this even if they wanted to. And you may say what about open office and linux...fine if your happy with that....but open office isn’t exactly Microsoft office is it and linux isn’t the best for the new user.

    All in all, Im happy with the service I offer to my customers and the staff that we have are also extremely hard working and also try there hardest to give customers a nice and pleasant experience, i can apologize on behalf of those who may of given some customers a bad experience, as this can be down to nothing more than incompetency and its the small minority that give PC world a bad rep, i guess you just don’t get people who have had a positive experience jumping on the net on forums writing how much of a joyous experience they've had, only the negative ones that have a issue to get off there chest. If you’ve had a bad experience then go into your local store and feed it back, as how can someone know there doing wrong unless there told?

    Understand that the high street stores you hate so much are probably the only stores you can walk into a get the things you need so easily, it would be a sad day if PC world or Currys went bust as there would be nowhere which offer the level of service that they offer on the high street and then everyone would be complaining cos they would have to constantly be sending there items back in the post when they went wrong.

    And lets face it, have ever tried speaking to amazon customer services......good luck on that! Lol.
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