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Flat buying - seller turning nasty

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I'm buying a small flat for my girlfriend and I to move in to. It's our first purchase. As luck would have it she is a trainee solicitor so is handling the conveyancing our end.

Anyway the seller started off very friendly saying how they wanted first time buyers in the flat, not investors. All very nice, until the agent phoned to tell us the price we'd agreed (this is back in Auguest) had been bettered by a developer and the seller said if we could we match it it was ours. We did and it was. We then had to do the same thing again, taking the price up £2k. I didn't take it personally but my girlfriend wasn't happy with what she regarded as being messed about.

Our sale was agreed on the understanding (verbal) that we negotiate a price for the furniture in the flat, as the seller is moving abroad. This amounts to a washing machine, wardrobes, bed, sofa and chairs and various lamps, bookshelves etc. Nothing special, and I wasn't expecting to pay more than £2k for them. The seller had other ideas, and I ended up paying WELL over the odds as I wanted us to move in before Christmas and the seller was asking so much I didn't want to jeapordise the sale. I'm stretching myself to pay for it all, taking out an interest free loan from my work.

I discussed a completion date with the seller on the phone, and they agreed that the first week of December would be fine for them - I told them good I can hand my notice in to my current landlord with that in mind. After emailing the seller later to confirm this date, and also about another matter I didn't get a response. The agent called me a week later to say had I heard from the seller as they couldn't get hold of them. I said not for a week and gave them the seller's email. I left a polite phone message for the seller, and also another email also politely enquiring about the matter in hand and the completion date. A couple of days later the seller's solicitor told my girlfriend that I was to "stop harrassing" the seller! She made it clear I wasn't, and that the seller had given me their phone number and email address and encouraged me to contact them with any questions. I phoned the agent a few days later and she said the seller had also had a go at her on the phone, so that now she couldn't contact them either!

Now we've got the contract from the seller's solicitors and they want a completion date TWO DAYS after the date discussed, as they have booked their flight and need the flat over the weekend. They have ignored the date we agreed verbally, and they know my girlfriend and I will be effectively homeless for that time.

As the completion date is now just 3 weeks away, I want to tell the agent that I am now only willing to pay half the amount for the furniture (still not a bad amount, and probably more than they would get selling it individually). I risk losing my search fees and this flat if the seller decides to pull out, but I'm prepared to find somewhere else if I have to.

What does everyone think? Any advice on this matter would be appreciated.
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  • I'd personally say you want the property at the original price and all the furniture at the lower cost to.
    For the sake of severly winding someone up who'd pulled that sort of stuff on me, I'd be willing to forgo my cost in searches and pull out/threaten to pull out.

    If she's moving abroad by a certain date will she want the hassle of trying to sell a flat of all property types in an uncertain market. She should be biting your hand off. You're in the strong position here if you're willing to walk away which you should now be threatening imo.
  • I'm not sure about trying to revert to the original price, as we agreed to the price increase. But I definitely want to offer less for the furniture, as my paying a high amount was a gesture of goodwill which certainly hasn't been reciprocated. Alternately I could say I'm happy for them to not sell us the furniture OR I'll pay the decreased amount, then it's their choice.

    It's certainly tempting to leave the seller at square one if they pull out, given how ridiculous they're being, but am I cutting off my nose to spite my face?
  • It all depends. The housing market is in a state of flux at the moment. Flat prices have taken a bit of a beating. And this women is being rude, unhelpful and basically lied to. You're in a very strong position, make sure you use it :D

    I'm all for cutting off my nose to spite my face but that's the way I am. I cannot tolerate people being rude or negating on a verbal contract. If someone does that to me I personally cannot trust their word again and would rather be a thorn in their side if I have to deal with them but while still being civil ;). I can be such a stubborn ****hole at times :rolleyes:

    You're trying to offer lots of goodwill gestures here and as you've said, it's not been reciprocated. It's a buyers market at the moment. I'd be more than prepared to leave her stranded and get a good deal elsewhere where the people might be polite to you and actually answer your calls and stick to their word.
  • BE STRONG and fight for your right.. pay for the amount u think their furniture is worthy.. Don't worry about them pulling off. u are now in strong position. IF as you said, they've got the tickets.. bla bla.. then they will be itchying to get rid of their furniture. although they think it's worhty this amount at the moment.. wait.. until getting close to their leaving date. they would have trouble to get rid of it !! and wont' have that energy/time to sort it out.. on top of packing/shifting things aboard.. They are just greedy, and try their luck whenever possible.. Don't let them take that advantage.. BITE BACK.. If I were you, i would have been really crossed.. wouldn't give them a penny , let alone that 2k.
  • WTF?_2
    WTF?_2 Posts: 4,592 Forumite
    I'm buying a small flat for my girlfriend and I to move in to. It's our first purchase. As luck would have it she is a trainee solicitor so is handling the conveyancing our end.

    Anyway the seller started off very friendly saying how they wanted first time buyers in the flat, not investors. All very nice, until the agent phoned to tell us the price we'd agreed (this is back in Auguest) had been bettered by a developer and the seller said if we could we match it it was ours. We did and it was. We then had to do the same thing again, taking the price up £2k. I didn't take it personally but my girlfriend wasn't happy with what she regarded as being messed about.

    Our sale was agreed on the understanding (verbal) that we negotiate a price for the furniture in the flat, as the seller is moving abroad. This amounts to a washing machine, wardrobes, bed, sofa and chairs and various lamps, bookshelves etc. Nothing special, and I wasn't expecting to pay more than £2k for them. The seller had other ideas, and I ended up paying WELL over the odds as I wanted us to move in before Christmas and the seller was asking so much I didn't want to jeapordise the sale. I'm stretching myself to pay for it all, taking out an interest free loan from my work.

    I discussed a completion date with the seller on the phone, and they agreed that the first week of December would be fine for them - I told them good I can hand my notice in to my current landlord with that in mind. After emailing the seller later to confirm this date, and also about another matter I didn't get a response. The agent called me a week later to say had I heard from the seller as they couldn't get hold of them. I said not for a week and gave them the seller's email. I left a polite phone message for the seller, and also another email also politely enquiring about the matter in hand and the completion date. A couple of days later the seller's solicitor told my girlfriend that I was to "stop harrassing" the seller! She made it clear I wasn't, and that the seller had given me their phone number and email address and encouraged me to contact them with any questions. I phoned the agent a few days later and she said the seller had also had a go at her on the phone, so that now she couldn't contact them either!

    Now we've got the contract from the seller's solicitors and they want a completion date TWO DAYS after the date discussed, as they have booked their flight and need the flat over the weekend. They have ignored the date we agreed verbally, and they know my girlfriend and I will be effectively homeless for that time.

    As the completion date is now just 3 weeks away, I want to tell the agent that I am now only willing to pay half the amount for the furniture (still not a bad amount, and probably more than they would get selling it individually). I risk losing my search fees and this flat if the seller decides to pull out, but I'm prepared to find somewhere else if I have to.

    What does everyone think? Any advice on this matter would be appreciated.

    You are in an excellent position, the seller is in a very poor position.

    Under the circumstances, it's amazing that the seller is acting like they are. Jacking the price twice after agreeing it and then demanding a silly amount of money for furniture that they are needing to get rid of anyway. To then delay completion for a weekend (after verbally agreeing) is just the final insult.

    Personally I would just walk away from the whole thing unless it's a place you really, really like and/or you are getting a very good deal relative to the local market for similar properties. Chances are that you can find something as good or better for less cash, given the way the market has turned.

    If your GF is a conveyancing solictor, I find it amazing that she has put up with this messing around by the vendor. What is her view?
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  • carolt
    carolt Posts: 8,531 Forumite
    I'd start looking around at other suitable properties - through the same agent and make it clear that you are reconsidering. The vendor has far more to lose than you do. Frankly, the extra costs of the furnishings they want you to pay would surely be more than the costs of the searches etc - so actually you stand to lose nothing if they don't agree, whereas they stand to lose far more.

    Stand firm. Sounds like a very unpleasant seller. Good luck!
  • !!!!!!? wrote: »
    You are in an excellent position, the seller is in a very poor position.

    If your GF is a conveyancing solictor, I find it amazing that she has put up with this messing around by the vendor. What is her view?

    She was livid at the seller and told you me pull out earlier, but I was adamant that I wanted the place and just wanted to save on hassle. She told me to offer a lot less for the furniture (or not buy it at all) but as the sale was agreed on the understanding we would negotitate a price for the furniture I didn't want to renege on that agreement.

    You're right though, the seller's behaviour is very puzzling. However they stand to lose conveyancing fees and maybe agent's fees too, whereas I only lose about £750 on searches, but that is nothing compared to overpaying on the furniture.

    In answer to carolt we already looking for other properties, so I can be philosophic about losing this flat. I think the key is to accept we will lose it, offer a lot less for the furniture and then be pleasantly surprised if the seller doesn't pull out of the sale.
  • She was livid at the seller and told you me pull out earlier, but I was adamant that I wanted the place and just wanted to save on hassle. She told me to offer a lot less for the furniture (or not buy it at all) but as the sale was agreed on the understanding we would negotitate a price for the furniture I didn't want to renege on that agreement.
    but the seller has gone back on her word with items such as price and then more importantly date
    You're right though, the seller's behaviour is very puzzling. However they stand to lose conveyancing fees and maybe agent's fees too, whereas I only lose about £750 on searches, but that is nothing compared to overpaying on the furniture.
    Well, she'll also loose a lot more tbh. If she is moving abroad, the hassle of sorting this all out from there (where ever it is) is surely going to be worse than being able to sort it now with you.
    In answer to carolt we already looking for other properties, so I can be philosophic about losing this flat. I think the key is to accept we will lose it, offer a lot less for the furniture and then be pleasantly surprised if the seller doesn't pull out of the sale.
    I'd be surprised if she did pull out. Please don't forget she is obviously needing the sale. You're in an exceptionally strong position. I personally would offer her a pepercorn for the furniture as well. If she's moving abroad she's going have to get rid of it before she sells the flat.

    Stop thinking she's trying to do you a favour, you sound like you're being far to nice. She's lied to you and been rude to you. Do not budge an inch anymore, you've gone out of your way more than enough and a decent seller would have seen that.
  • It all depends. The housing market is in a state of flux at the moment. Flat prices have taken a bit of a beating. And this women is being rude, unhelpful and basically lied to. You're in a very strong position, make sure you use it :D

    I can be such a stubborn ****hole at times :rolleyes:

    HA you're weren't kidding! ;)

    I think you're right though. I now think I'm going to offer just over 1/3 what I agreed for the furniture. I'm actually still doing the seller a favour if I agree to their completion date as we have to move our stuff somewhere for two days which is a pain, but something I'll put up with if I'm paying less for the furniture.
  • If you are only going to lose a small amount of money, and house prices are going to stop rising, this nasty woman could be doing you a favour by encouraging you to drop out of the sale.

    Second hand furniture is cheap to buy, so unless it is truly beautiful furniture - why bother? Go to an auction/argos/ikea - these places are really cheap and you can get the stuff you want, rather than the stuff she had. When you get to the flat you might find that it is in poor condition - you will only really know when you have to live with it.

    She is taking you for a ride - and it leaves a nasty taste in your mouth, which you could keep for some years ahead of you. (I know it is your money, etc, but I think I might look and buy elsewhere).
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