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Heat pump / inverter DIY

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I've just ordered a single inverter aircon unit to heat the open plan area of my house.

£450 for a 13000BTU unit which I should be able to fit myself, the savings over storage heaters sounds sensational - 1kw in = up to 4kw out (I know 1:6 units exist but they are too expensive to ever make them worth it).

I was given advice to hire a air vac pump to get any moisture out the system but on phoning a couple of local aircon engineers they have advised me I don't need to do that, just to run it on full heat and it will burn of any moisture - one actually said he would come and vac it but that I was wasting my money!

Does this sound right? Does anyone else run one of these air to air inverter systems?
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  • Hi
    Sorry I don't have any knowledge of these units but it sounds interesting and I wondered where you bought it from and do they have a website?
    Thanks.
  • Sure, I got it from these guys, but there are more on ebay + web.

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FREE-UK-SHIP-INVERTER-SPLIT-AIR-CONDITIONING-12000BTU_W0QQitemZ250310412267QQihZ015QQcategoryZ20711QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

    The other one I'm ordering heats the hot water + radiators.

    The reason I got two was that I plan to heat the open plan area with one and the rest of the house via radiators with the other - maybe I don't need two, maybe the hot water one will do it all, if so I'll put the other one in my holiday cabin.

    I'll report back once I finish installing this first one on how well it works.
  • I have air conditioners/heat pumps, but I got them installed professionally.

    If you do not use a vacuum pump, then you will not know if you have a leak (the pump evacuates the system & is left for a while to ensure the vacuum holds) & if the refrigerant disappears then you have to get an air-con engineer anyway - you can't re-gas as a DIY'er.
  • bobmedley. how are your heat pumps performing now we are getting regular temperatures in the -something to 5 deg C ?
  • Absolutely fine - the temperature is 4c and they are pushing out heat in prodigious quantities.

    According to the documentation they are running at 80% of their COP which is 3.45 therefore the cost is 2.86p per kw.

    Mind you oil has dropped so much that I'm only paying 4.3p per kw for that, but it's still a saving I suppose.
  • And which models are you running?
    If they are air source, are they going through defrosting cycles yet?
    At temeperatures above zero I guess they don't (or not very often) but we have been having some periods below zero?

    Many thanks
  • I use 2 9000BTU Mitsubushi Units (SRK20-ZGX) to heat my 3 bed end terrace with loft. I decomissioned my old gsh at the end of last winter after getting a £270 gas bill. So far, house is warmer (22 in loft, 23 living room) and last 4 weeks cost £17 for just heat. I work from home, so the house is kept comfortable waking hours. It's easy to measure as I have an energy use monitor on each unit.
    Outside temp tonight is 0, and they're still pumping out toasty heat.

    I must add that I'm located in SW England which had a mild climate, and frost is a rarity. These ashp's perform amazingly well for me, I'm just bowled over by how cheap they are to run. It's worth noting that the cost of running these units is less than the cost of a service contract for GSH without using any gas at all.

    With better insulation, it even looks feasable to micro-generate enough electricity to heat your own home!
    ASHP's ROCK, and if you live in a mild climate, are cheaper than GSHP's; cheaper than the best gas, cheaper than chips even.

    Oh... and they're useful in the summer too
  • And which models are you running?
    If they are air source, are they going through defrosting cycles yet?
    At temeperatures above zero I guess they don't (or not very often) but we have been having some periods below zero?

    Many thanks

    Currently they defrost every 4/6 hrs or so & that takes about 10 mins - you don't get heat during that period.

    I've got Toshiba Daiseikai model RAS-B13GKVP-E.
  • richardc1983
    richardc1983 Posts: 2,157 Forumite
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    DOnt under any circumstances even attempt to install these units yourselve. The same as to handle Gas boilers you have to be corgi registered for Air con you have to have refrigerant handling certificates and qualifications. How do you know how to vac it, how long for? What pressures you should be running to, how much gas to put in the system? Testing and commisioning of the system. Tell these cowboys who are trying to sell them to you where to go and get a proper installer to do it. YOu will end up breaking the equipment because you dont know what your doing and this will cost more to put right in the long run.

    On the other hand I have 2 x LG Multisplit system installed consisting of 1 x outdoor unit FM25AH and 2 indoor convertible MV12AH units. The system was installed in June and cools the whole flat perfectly sometimes only needing 1 unit on.

    Now its winter currentlly -2 outside and im getting air off temps from the units of 35C which is making my house a lovely 23c throughout. I find that when I go to bed it uses less electric to leave the system on but set to 18C as it doesnt have to work as hard and for as long when I put it back upto 23c the next day.

    IN regards to defrosting the unit because it is cycling on and off happily maintaining indoor temps it doesnt defrost much at all however when the units have been switched off and the indoor temps drop to 13c the system will run for about 4hrs to get indoor temps up, in this time the outdoor coil will go white with ice and the unit will defrost mode about twice during this period.

    Excellent systems. We had it installed as we cannot control our heating in our flat as the landlord runs it so when its off we had to rely on electric heaters. This way the house is always warm.
    If you found my post helpful, please remember to press the THANKS button! --->
  • punamulta
    punamulta Posts: 193 Forumite
    as the UK air is damp i would expect units to frost up even at above freezing air temps, as the compressor will drop below freezing and the moisture in the air will freeze on it. As long as the unit has an additional reverse defrost cycle on the outside unit it should be ok.

    not all units for sale here have that, so check before buying.
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