Please help!

lynzpower · 14 March 2010 at 6:40PM

Best of luck and stick with the site, it will free up money and let you live on less without resorting to theft.
best of luck .

McKneff · 14 March 2010 at 6:42PM

I am not a thief even though it's hard to believe but I am not,

But the point is OP, you are a theif. You admitted so in your first post.
You stole something, you got caught.
I'm sure you have learnt from it.

Now stop worrying about civil recovery, i cant see how they can charge you anything if you have not been found guilty of anything. Look again at post 50.

Now just get on with your life and good luck

DX2 · 14 March 2010 at 6:43PM

Snakeeyes21 wrote: »

So they can demand a payment from a person who hasn't been found guilty of a crime? dont make me laugh, its just the same as parking fines.

I'm not sure how well that argument will stand up in court.

We are demanding this money even though we had insufficient evidence to prosecute you :rotfl:

Maybe you would do better reading this.
http://www.lossprevention.co.uk/Default.aspx

Nargleblast · 14 March 2010 at 6:45PM

Thank you, lolipop, for having the guts to post again. Any idea what it was that made you steal in the first place? Are you likely to be tempted again? When I was nine years old I took a bar of chocolate from a shop. The shop manager caught me and made me pay for it. I thought that was the end of the matter until a few days later, when I and my father were walking past the shop and the manager called my father in for a few words......My father did not punish me severely but he made it clear how disappointed in me he was, and he did not tell my mother, who would have ripped my head off. I have never done anything like it since, having learnt my lesson. Concentrate on your studies, get your qualifications and never be so stupid again - it really isn't worth it, as I am sure you are now aware.

lolipop177 · 14 March 2010 at 6:59PM

To Nargleblast I totally agree! as I said before there is no way I would do it again, I've learned my leasson the hard way and now living consequences.

p.s. I wasn't replying because had to do errands I am not glued to the computer...

Uncertain · 14 March 2010 at 7:15PM

Snakeeyes21 wrote: »

So they can demand a payment from a person who hasn't been found guilty of a crime? dont make me laugh, its just the same as parking fines.

I'm not sure how well that argument will stand up in court.

We are demanding this money even though we had insufficient evidence to prosecute you :rotfl:

Well, actually you can.

This is civil matter so, to win a case it is only necessary to convince a court ON THE BALANCE OF PROBABILITY (often thought of as 51%).

To secure a criminal conviction a court must be convinced BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT (often thought of as 95% +).

A good example (in the USA but same rules apply) was O J Simpson. He was found not guilty of murder but the "victims" family still managed to win a civil case against him for their loss.

dickydonkin · 14 March 2010 at 7:42PM

Snakeeyes21 wrote: »

So they can demand a payment from a person who hasn't been found guilty of a crime? dont make me laugh, its just the same as parking fines.

I'm not sure how well that argument will stand up in court.

We are demanding this money even though we had insufficient evidence to prosecute you :rotfl:

Glad you find it amusing - many retailers don't - and they are actually attempting to keep down the price of the products YOU buy in attempting to recoup losses from thieving.

Are you suggesting all shoplifters have insufficient evidence against them?

So someone caught red handed with CCTV evidence, property caught in their posession and an admission of guilt would make it difficult to pursue redress?

In relation to this thread, the OP has admitted her theft - and as I stated earlier, she may have a civil recovery claim against her in the near future even though she has not been convicted of any criminal offence (although she has committed one on her own admission).

The civil (the clue is in the title) recovery scheme can be pursued via a civil court and payment can be enforced by such a court.

Of course, the perpetrator who may or may not have already been found guilty in a criminal court, could always defend their case at the civil court where the retailer will be pursuing the compensation - and they will undoubtedly have sufficient evidence to pursue the claim.

Good link DX2 - I found this bit interesting for those who decide not to pay any civil recovery fee.

What will happen if I don’t pay?

If you fail to pay the compensation sought, our client reserves the right to commence legal proceedings to recover all of their financial losses, together with costs and interest, which will greatly increase the overall cost to you. Interest is accruing on a daily basis at an annual rate of 8% while this claim remains outstanding. If a Court Judgment/Decree is obtained, this is likely to adversely affect your ability to obtain credit in the future.

So they can demand a payment from a person who hasn't been found guilty of a crime? dont make me laugh, its just the same as parking fines.

And while you are laughing, please enlighten me - yes you are correct - it is just like a parking fine -
but tell me, what happens when you do not pay a parking fine then?

dickydonkin · 14 March 2010 at 7:44PM

McKneff;30840605]
Now stop worrying about civil recovery, i cant see how they can charge you anything if you have not been found guilty of anything. Look again at post 50.

But they can - and they do.............see above post.

It is a CIVIL CLAIM.

Uncertain · 14 March 2010 at 7:55PM

I think this whole thing is a bit more complicated that many of the ignorant tirades above would suggest.

OK, a shop can ban an individual for pretty much any reason they like (as long as it is not race, disability or sex discrimination). The don't have to accept your custom or have you on their premises.

It may be that all the shops in a shopping centre will have agreed that if one bans an individual then all will. Possibly legal but maybe not. However, in any case, I would doubt if such an agreement exists. You could imagine a scenario where a sweet shop might ban an obnoxious customer who is rude to their staff. However, another shop puts up with their terrible attitude because they are a big spender.

However, in this case one shop's decision to ban is preventing the OP from earning their living. Presumably the shop does not have sufficient evidence to convince the police to prosecute. So, they are saying "despite this, we have decided to prevent your employee from getting to work". Their are clear data protection implications if they share their "evidence" with her employer.

I don't in any way condone theft but equally I don't condone kangaroo courts either.

I would suggest the OP takes some professional legal advice.

woody01 · 14 March 2010 at 9:37PM

starrystarry wrote: »

Never driven at 31mph in a 30 zone?
Never bought/used a copy DVD/CD/video?
Never "file shared"?
Never had a few too many drinks and had a fight/argument with someone over a kebab/taxi?

Yeah right.

Surely you agree see that none of those to theft and are not in the same sphere.

The only thing I commented on was Woody's statement that he/she had never done anything illegal.

Dependant on your morals and, to an extent background, people have a different idea of legality.
I would not get arrested for going 1mph over a speed limit, and although is, i wouldn't see that as a bad offence.
By the same token, i am CERTAIN, that a teenager on some random housing estate up North, would see nothing wrong with carrying a knife.

lolipop177 wrote: »

I work for a big retail brand so they have lots of other shops around the city, also security has told me that they will wait for the respond from the head office so I may get back but I dont think I wish to get back.

You have zero chance of getting back. Your boss would have to put his integrity on the line for this to happen and he would have to be enormously stupid to do that.

lolipop177 wrote: »

It is so embarassing and I am not a thief even though it's hard to believe but I am not .

I think you will find that is EXACTLY what you are!

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