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  • Galstonian
    Galstonian Posts: 1,292 Forumite
    There are limits on the amount of interest a parent can earn on savings made in their childrens name, you should perhaps mention this when suggesting that parents invest through their children.

    I believe the maximum relates to how much interest can be earned in a year from any money gifted to children by their parents (it is okay for other friends or relatives to do so though). If they earn more than £100 interest then they can be taxed at their parents marginal rates instead. With regular savers that force you to roll your money out after a year it may not be such an issue but, for accounts where money can build up over a longer period, it must certainly be a consideration.

    I have never found a particularly good explanation of this rule and how it is applied, for instance, couldn't multiple accounts be opened and since nobody is expecting tax returns from children the IR would have no way of knowing?
  • Galstonian
    Galstonian Posts: 1,292 Forumite
    I just tried to apply for the Coventry Family 1st account and discovered that this account cannot be held in trust for the children, it must be opened in the name of the parent who receives the child benefit. If that parent is a taxpayer then the interest is liable to be taxed at 20% (or 40% for higher rate taxpayers). This brings the effective rate for any child benefit monies paid in down to 5.8% and, for any additional deposits it becomes 4.2% (or 4.35% and 3.15% respectively for higher rate tax payers).

    For non-tax payers with lots of children its a great account but for anyone else I think they should be looking elsewhere. The Derbyshire Regular Saver can be held in trust for children so will earn 5.85% without tax liability and this is for all regular savings not just child benefit.
  • Sometimes there are special regular savings rates for childrens accounts.

    The Halifax don't advertise very well that for << Savers under 21:
    A special rate of interest is available on Halifax Instant Saver, Halifax Saver Reward, Halifax Monthly Saver, Halifax Liquid Gold, Halifax 60 Day Gold and Halifax Bonus Gold accounts if you appear in our records as being under 21. Interest is paid at the special rate or at the tiered rate of interest (whichever is the higher) on any balances of £1 or more on these accounts.>>

    Indeed, I think the rate for the Monthly Saver Account (under 21yrs version) is 5.34% AER.

    Another good Childrens regular Saver Account is with Scarbrough BS http://www.scarboroughbs.co.uk/docs/investment/product.asp?InvId=416 paying 5.75%.

    Hope this of interest to someone

    :)
  • lipidicman
    lipidicman Posts: 2,598 Forumite
    milkyway wrote:
    Indeed, I think the rate for the Monthly Saver Account (under 21yrs version) is 5.34% AER.

    :)

    It 5.34% whatever age you are

    from their website:
    AER % incl. conditional bonus 5.34%
  • isasmurf
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    Galstonian wrote:
    I have never found a particularly good explanation of this rule and how it is applied, for instance, couldn't multiple accounts be opened and since nobody is expecting tax returns from children the IR would have no way of knowing?
    Banks and Building Societies are required to send the Inland Revenue details of all bank accounts, including interest paid and tax deducted. I suppose they can then match all the accounts for an individual to see the total interest received. But this still won't tell them where the money came from. Perhaps they just say it to act as a deterrent?
  • Mikeyorks
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    Advanced MoneySavers Note: How Halifax hopes to gain from this

    Halifax’s aim is to draw in new cash; this is why you can’t simply do a standing order from one of its existing accounts into this product.

    Regret the statement underlined isn't quite correct. You can feed a Halifax Regular Saver from a Halifax current account - but not from one of their other Saver accounts.
    I feed a Regular Saver via my Halifax current account - by a Standing Order into my current account from a Halifax Web saver.
    If you want to test the depth of the water .........don't use both feet !
  • lipidicman
    lipidicman Posts: 2,598 Forumite
    Well yeah, otherwise Halifax would be discouraging its own current account customers from saving, or worse, forcing them to get a current account at a different bank

    Martin's point was about drip feeding from another save, like the websaver
  • grumbler
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    :think: Some tedious, but useful maths... For those who like it. :think:

    For regular saving account with £250 monthly payment it is more correct to estimate average balance during a year as

    £250*(1+2+...+12)/12=£250*6.5=£1625, but not £1500.

    For the 'drip-feed' scheme:
    if saving account has AER As and regular saving account has AER Ar the effective AER of the combination can be estimated as:

    AER=(6.5*Ar+5.5*As)/12.

    This formula is approximate as it does not take into account compounded interest, but it works very well for APR<10%. For example, for 5% and 7% it yields effective AER 6.08% (exact result is 6.06%).
  • Mikeyorks
    Mikeyorks Posts: 10,377 Forumite
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    lipidicman wrote:
    Well yeah, otherwise Halifax would be discouraging its own current account customers from saving, or worse, forcing them to get a current account at a different bank

    Martin's point was about drip feeding from another save, like the websaver

    Hmmmm . . . Not quite sure I align with that.

    Martin's point was about the Halifax drawing in new cash. So fairly understandable they legislate against funds being purloined from their existing, and lower yield, saver accounts. But the same logic surely applies to their current accounts - it is recirculated - not new - cash and from an even lower yield source? So reasonable to read (as I did until I looked at the finer detail of the Halifax T&Cs) that "you can't SO from one of its existing accounts" - at face value.

    I'm grateful for the knowledge of this account, from Martin's note. But I would have been put off if I had to source a current account outside of the Halifax in order to use it. My sole reason for suggesting the original note is revised to qualify it is only Saver accounts that cannot be used - is to prevent others being put off if they don't separately look closely at the Halifax precise T&Cs.
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  • lipidicman
    lipidicman Posts: 2,598 Forumite
    Mikey I agree with you and you say you would have been put off if you had to get a current account outside of Halifax - all I was saying is that halifax would not want to encourage you to do this so will of course allow saving from a Halifax current account - and they are still getting new savings (in the current you can spend it, in the regular you have to leave it to get the interest)
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