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  • elfen
    elfen Posts: 10,213 Forumite
    *slobbers all over the floor at the Mac pics before reminding herself she's probably got one coming to her soon*

    Macs now come with Boot Camp (think it's that) so you can dual boot Snow Leopard and Windows 7 (as I may do) I love them, it's not just the simplicity (tested one for about an hour, fell in love at how easy it is to use) but how they're industry standard in what I want to work in (editing, FCP is Mac-exclusive) and most programs are made both PC and Mac compatible.

    I'll drool more when mine turns up
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  • busenbust
    busenbust Posts: 4,782 Forumite
    busenbust wrote: »
    The 27 inch iMac is absolutely gorgeous; what a screen; edge to edge display albeit a very glossy one. If I could afford I would take the plunge and possibly use BootCamp to have a dual W7/Leopard OS, as I am a Windows user. And shame on Apple, when you consider the price, for not including an HDMI port. Am I in Love? :p
    http://viiprnews.com/images/2009/10/new-apple-imacs.jpg
    elfen wrote: »
    *slobbers all over the floor at the Mac pics before reminding herself she's probably got one coming to her soon*

    Macs now come with Boot Camp (think it's that) so you can dual boot Snow Leopard and Windows 7 (as I may do) I love them, it's not just the simplicity (tested one for about an hour, fell in love at how easy it is to use) but how they're industry standard in what I want to work in (editing, FCP is Mac-exclusive) and most programs are made both PC and Mac compatible.

    I'll drool more when mine turns up

    Indeed you can;). The amount of rubbish on the market is absolutely incredible. Low quality screens (they might quote a high resolution but that matters not if the panel itself is of poor quality), 'spongy' keyboards, trackpads that don't track, touchpads that don't 'touch' (unresponsive). How the hell can they sell this stuff. Oh well, they can. There are only three netbooks (out of a multitude) I have seen that display decent build quality: The Asus, the MSI Wind and, my favorite of all, the Samsung series (esp. the N510).
  • gjchester
    gjchester Posts: 5,741 Forumite
    Marty_J wrote: »

    http://www.macrumors.com/2009/11/26/apples-black-friday-sales-2009-other-major-discounts-on-macs/

    http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/11/27/black_friday_mac_and_ipod_price_guides_find_the_lowest_prices.html



    Take any premium computer, by any manufacturer at all, and configure it so it has similar specifications as a Mac. You'll see it's around the same price.

    Black friday is a one day only US event. Have you ever seen a apple much below RRP?

    My point is that a Mac's are sold as premium priced machines and there is no bottom / mid range model. The basic macbooks are not premium machines there mid range entry PC's just not with a midrange tag. Sure if you config a high end PC you'll pay the same, but theres no option for a basic workhorse mac. Dells start at $450 for a laptop, a Mac book costs twice that for the basic model.

    And lack of HDMI & blu-ray again shows contempt for what the consumer wants, for a company thats media friendly in most respects it's a obvious lack of customer focus. But heck it's more likely it's in the next version so Apple can sell you a new shiney box. Who cares what Steve thinks of the abilities of the connector, very little kit has DisplayPort whereas most kit has HDMI.

    Probably going to go the way of Firewire Vs USB. Firewires faster, but USB won the war as it's in use more.
  • Marty_J
    Marty_J Posts: 6,594 Forumite
    busenbust wrote: »
    Indeed you can;). The amount of rubbish on the market is absolutely incredible. Low quality screens (they might quote a high resolution but that matters not if the panel itself is of poor quality), 'spongy' keyboards, trackpads that don't track, touchpads that don't 'touch' (unresponsive). How the hell can they sell this stuff. Oh well, they can. There are only three netbooks (out of a multitude) I have seen that display decent build quality: The Asus, the MSI Wind and, my favorite of all, the Samsung series (esp. the N510).

    I agree; most of the computer industry is in a race to the bottom. It's as though they've entered a "who can build the cheapest, nastiest computer?" competition.
  • busenbust
    busenbust Posts: 4,782 Forumite
    "Probably going to go the way of Firewire Vs USB. Firewires faster, but USB won the war as it's in use more."
    ^Superseded by e-Sata?
  • BillScarab
    BillScarab Posts: 6,027 Forumite
    Marty_J wrote: »
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by busenbust viewpost.gif
    Indeed you can;). The amount of rubbish on the market is absolutely incredible. Low quality screens (they might quote a high resolution but that matters not if the panel itself is of poor quality), 'spongy' keyboards, trackpads that don't track, touchpads that don't 'touch' (unresponsive). How the hell can they sell this stuff. Oh well, they can. There are only three netbooks (out of a multitude) I have seen that display decent build quality: The Asus, the MSI Wind and, my favorite of all, the Samsung series (esp. the N510).

    I agree; most of the computer industry is in a race to the bottom. It's as though they've entered a "who can build the cheapest, nastiest computer?" competition.

    I'd agree with that when it comes to consumer laptops. I think you can still get cheap desktops that are OK so long as you pair them with a decent screen.

    It's one of the reasons I always encourage people to really think about whether they need a laptop or not if they ask me to recommend a computer to them.
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  • Marty_J
    Marty_J Posts: 6,594 Forumite
    edited 30 November 2009 at 5:26PM
    gjchester wrote: »
    Black friday is a one day only US event. Have you ever seen a apple much below RRP?

    I live in the US, so yes.

    And if I recall correctly, John Lewis were selling some MacBooks very cheaply a while back.

    My point is that a Mac's are sold as premium priced machines and there is no bottom / mid range model.

    That's because Apple aren't interested in making bottom/mid-range models, and they're not interested in selling computers to people who want them.
    The basic macbooks are not premium machines there mid range entry PC's just not with a midrange tag.

    Why on earth are they not premium computers?
    Sure if you config a high end PC you'll pay the same, but theres no option for a basic workhorse mac. Dells start at $450 for a laptop, a Mac book costs twice that for the basic model.

    As above, Apple have zero interest in building a computer that's like a $450 Dell, and if you ask Apple for one, they'd gladly give you Dell's phone number. Steve Jobs famously said: "We don't know how to build a sub-$500 computer that is not a piece of junk".

    And Dell's cheapest laptop is absolutely nothing like Apple's cheapest laptop.
    And lack of HDMI & blu-ray again shows contempt for what the consumer wants, for a company thats media friendly in most respects it's a obvious lack of customer focus. But heck it's more likely it's in the next version so Apple can sell you a new shiney box.

    Blu-ray has certain licensing issues that must be dealt with. Job said: "It’s great to watch movies, but the licensing is so complex. We’re waiting until things settle down, and waiting until Blu-ray takes off before we burden our customers with the cost of licensing."

    Not charging everyone more for something only a minority want isn't contempt, it's good business practice.

    Apple also see digital content delivery as the future of media distribution, so it's not surprising that they aren't in a rush to embrace something they hope will be obsolete before long.
    Who cares what Steve thinks of the abilities of the connector,

    Translation: who cares if he has good reasons for preferring DisplayPort?

    Were you one of the people who blasted Apple for dropping parallel ports and using USB instead (the first company to do so, btw)?
    very little kit has DisplayPort whereas most kit has HDMI.

    That's why God invent DisplayPort to HDMI adapters.

    Oh, and an increasing number of products are using DisplayPort. It has been forecast that 600,000 DisplayPort enabled devices will ship by 2012.
    Probably going to go the way of Firewire Vs USB. Firewires faster, but USB won the war as it's in use more.

    There was a war? And USB won?

    I'll let you give the bad news to all my FireWire devices.
  • gjchester
    gjchester Posts: 5,741 Forumite
    edited 30 November 2009 at 6:08PM
    alexjohnson wrote: »
    It's a slightly fanboyish repsonse (in that I'm happy to take what Steve deigns to give me) I know, but I think the reverse also applies - you are looking for things Apple doesn't give you and blowing them out of proportion because clearly most people don't care, and I don't think they're particularly stupid not to care.

    Possibly, but if Firewires so great and USB lost the war why does the Ipod now have a USB and not a firewire connector?

    Apple has always loved the less common connector, be it Firewire, Display port, that awful ADP port or the ever changing apple ipod dock connector. Why because it's got patents on most of them to some extent and can licence it for cash when you need a spare / replacment. (ie rather than a cheapo store generic cable)
    Marty_J wrote:
    That's why God invent DisplayPort to HDMI adapters.

    Oh, and an increasing number of products are using DisplayPort. It has been forecast that 600,000 DisplayPort enabled devices will ship by 2012.

    I'd read less than that (300K) by 2012, but the report I read also said theres be 900K HDMI enabled devices in the world. Display port is currently very centered in the computing work, HDMI is adopted by the consumer electronics world.

    If your going to buy a HD TV now it's going to come with HDMI, it may be superceeded but not anytime soon. If you going to buy a design driven box (which is pretty much Apples aim, design comes first, and as I said it's very good at it) you not going to have multiple adapters and convertors around, it ruins the apple simple design ethos.


    I think I'm now going to retire from this thread, as it's already descending into a PC Vs Apple thread.
  • busenbust
    busenbust Posts: 4,782 Forumite
    BillScarab wrote: »
    I'd agree with that when it comes to consumer laptops. I think you can still get cheap desktops that are OK so long as you pair them with a decent screen.

    It's one of the reasons I always encourage people to really think about whether they need a laptop or not if they ask me to recommend a computer to them.
    Agreed. Nearly all of my criticisms were aimed squarely at the laptop/netbook market.
    Although again, I tend to see far better build quality when it comes to business (thus classified) desktop PCs, in particular the HP and Fujitsu-Siemens business range.
  • camron1102
    camron1102 Posts: 22 Forumite
    I love designing, I heard mac is good for designing never tried before.
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