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Got a job! Start next month. Can I still claim?
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krisskross wrote: »Congratulations on the job! Have you checked any possible run on of benefits to tide you over until 1st paycheque?
From my experiences so far I think the chances of that are somewhat below zero. As a normal working bloke with my own house, a few meagre savings, and no dependant children living with me, the benefits system isn't really interested in helping me.
I'm a designated "putter inner", not "taker outer", The System decries that the money should only flow one way where I'm concerned, and it isn't toward me! :rolleyes:Hi, we’ve had to remove your signature. If you’re not sure why please read the forum rules or email the forum team if you’re still unsure - MSE ForumTeam0 -
The requirement is to be available for and seek work. The question is is the claimant available for work, not is there work available for the claimant.
As long as you continue to receive the allowance you must continue to adhere to the rules. The OP could even only seek temporary work and satisfy the rules, to simply not do anything is wrong.
Just to pick up on this post because it seems to get to the nub of the argument.
The allowance is there to "support" (I use the word loosely because in fact it doesn't) a claimant who has become out of work until he finds a new one. It's called "job seekers allowance" because it is an allowance for those seeking jobs.
I've been seeking a job and indeed I've now found a job, the ultimate goal of the job seeker. Having therefore fulfilled my side of the bargain (to seek and ultimately find work) it doesn't seem too unreasonable to me to be financially supported throughout the process (ie until the found job actually begins).
To suggest that Job Seekers Allowance means "well done you've found a job now find another in the meantime" is just, well, silly.Hi, we’ve had to remove your signature. If you’re not sure why please read the forum rules or email the forum team if you’re still unsure - MSE ForumTeam0 -
Quick update.
Phoned this morning (as is my signing on day, and really didn't want to traipse down there) but was told that they can only close my claim within seven days of my starting work.
So at the moment I have to continue to sign on and will therefore be able to continue to claim.
I can't imagine for a moment that I'll be expected to continue to search for work, but we'll see what they say.
I'll report back since there's clearly a difference of opinion on what people believe should happen and let you know the official party line.Hi, we’ve had to remove your signature. If you’re not sure why please read the forum rules or email the forum team if you’re still unsure - MSE ForumTeam0 -
Well, the final result is:
Absolutely no question that I should continue to look for a job having been offered one and accepted it.
No suggestion or question as to my having still looked, taken any steps toward looking, nothing.
I need to continue to sign on up until the job starts and I need to phone them a couple of days before and they will process the cessation of payment to me.
So they do, in fact, operate a common sense policy. (Not a given with any Government organisation...)Hi, we’ve had to remove your signature. If you’re not sure why please read the forum rules or email the forum team if you’re still unsure - MSE ForumTeam0 -
Max_Headroom wrote: »Well, the final result is:
Absolutely no question that I should continue to look for a job having been offered one and accepted it.
No suggestion or question as to my having still looked, taken any steps toward looking, nothing.
I need to continue to sign on up until the job starts and I need to phone them a couple of days before and they will process the cessation of payment to me.
So they do, in fact, operate a common sense policy. (Not a given with any Government organisation...)
Hardly a common sense policy. That's just laziness on the part of your personal advisor. When you make a claim to JSA you have a legal requirement to be actively seeking and available for work for the whole period of your claim. What you are doing is basically taking a paid holiday before starting work at the tax payers expense.0 -
Hardly a common sense policy. That's just laziness on the part of your personal advisor. When you make a claim to JSA you have a legal requirement to be actively seeking and available for work for the whole period of your claim. What you are doing is basically taking a paid holiday before starting work at the tax payers expense.
And what is the ultimate required result of seeking work? To obtain work.
Which I've done.
Take your "logic" to its ultimate conclusion and you'd want everyone to turn down any job offered so that they could continue to seek employment and thus fulfil the letter of the claim rather than the spirit.
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Max_Headroom wrote: »And what is the ultimate required result of seeking work? To obtain work. Exactly, you got one thing right at least.
Which I've done. Not for the next three weeks, in which time you're happy to live off the tax-payers. Have you not tried contacting employment agencies for some casual work until you start your new job?
Take your "logic" to its ultimate conclusion and you'd want everyone to turn down any job offered so that they could continue to seek employment and thus fulfil the letter of the claim rather than the spirit.I'd be quite interested in the "logic" you used in making that inference.
Read the parts in bold.0 -
Max Headroom has now got a job - congratuations Max! Not easy in the present economic climate.
To me, it appears that he is asking "will he be entitled to any benefits that will take him up to (1) the time he starts his job and (2) to finance his first few days at work!
That's not unreasonable - at least to me it doesn't seem so.0 -
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Originally Posted by Max Headroom
And what is the ultimate required result of seeking work? To obtain work. Exactly, you got one thing right at least.
Which I've done. Not for the next three weeks, in which time you're happy to live off the tax-payers. Have you not tried contacting employment agencies for some casual work until you start your new job?
Take your "logic" to its ultimate conclusion and you'd want everyone to turn down any job offered so that they could continue to seek employment and thus fulfil the letter of the claim rather than the spirit.I'd be quite interested in the "logic" you used in making that inference.Read the parts in bold.
Point one. Suggests a rather patronising and bitter attitude. Any particular reason?
Point two. "Live off taxpayers"? Mate, I am a tax payer, have been for twenty five years and am about to be again! But one of the many things we pay taxes for is to assist those out of work. Which, temporarily, I am. Hence I'm perfectly entitled, legally and morally, to claim.
Point three. You are suggesting that the moment one is offered work, even if it's in a few weeks time, all benefits should cease. Or the claimant should somehow instantaneously magic up another job that somehow has absolutely no intro time (interviews, decision making, start date, just wham, you're working) and which the employer is happy for you to then almost immediately pack it in. Failing that, according to your logic, the only alternative would be to turn down a job with a three week intro period and carry on job seeking and therefore legitimately claiming. Idiot logic frankly.
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Max Headroom has now got a job - congratuations Max! Not easy in the present economic climate.
To me, it appears that he is asking "will he be entitled to any benefits that will take him up to (1) the time he starts his job and (2) to finance his first few days at work!
That's not unreasonable - at least to me it doesn't seem so.
You're quite right, it's not unreasonable, it's basic common sense.
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