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ChristopheB wrote: »Just because you say something is true it doesn't mean it is.
So your saying all files on P2P networks are illegal? Oh don't be ridiculous. You pay for the internet, don't you? You may pay for Sky? Or maybe you don't because you feel there's no tangible product there.
Apart from it's now copied again and again.Its being Printed again and again, by Pyrate0 -
Exactly. Which in essence makes it steeling, there's no denning it.
In who's essence certain not in the UK legal framework and that the only law we follow in this country.
What you need to look at more closely is what the defintion of theft or stealing is. Wikpedia again I'm afraid.
In English law, theft was codified into a statutory offence in the Theft Act 1968 which defines it as:
"A person is guilty of theft, if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it". (Section 1)The important bit is the "permanently depriving the other of it".
Note: depriving someone of there rights to distriubute the material dosen't count. It's still good old fasioned copyright infringement.0 -
So your saying all files on P2P networks are illegal? Oh don't be ridiculous. You pay for the internet, don't you? You may pay for Sky? Or maybe you don't because you feel there's no tangible product there.
Please dont put words in my mouth. I said no such thing
I was refering to your mis-held believe that copyright infringement = theft.0 -
ChristopheB wrote: »"A person is guilty of theft, if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it". (Section 1)The important bit is the "permanently depriving the other of it".
Note: depriving someone of there rights to distriubute the material dosen't count. It's still good old fasioned copyright infringement.
Okay, good point. But still if someone uses someone-else's WiFi, or if someone uses Cable TV without paying for it, does that not qualify as Theft?0 -
So your saying all files on P2P networks are illegal? Oh don't be ridiculous. You pay for the internet, don't you? You may pay for Sky? Or maybe you don't because you feel there's no tangible product there.
Apart from it's now copied again and again.
Althought I do tend to agree Sky is not a tangible product.0 -
ChristopheB wrote: »Please dont put words in my mouth. I said no such thing
You insinuated it.ChristopheB wrote: »I think it's an important difference
If you go in to HMV and take a CD. Then you are taking something away from that shop. The CD is physical property. The shop does not have it any more.
By copying something the owner loses nothing. Except implied revenue on the basis that the thief would buy the item instead.0 -
Okay, good point. But still if someone uses someone-else's WiFi, or if someone uses Cable TV without paying for it, does that not qualify as Theft?
Interesting one.
Wifi is sort of gray area if it not encypted but I in reality it would be an offense under the
Communications Act 2003, section 125
Dishonestly obtaining electronic communications services
(1) A person who-
(a) dishonestly obtains an electronic communications service, and
(b) does so with intent to avoid payment of a charge applicable to the provision of that service,
is guilty of an offence.
Same I think goes for cable.
I suppose you could say they are stealing your bandwidth and especially if metered you would be deprived. Although I am not sure how the law works with regard to a service rather than property.
People have been arrested for it.
http://www.redditchadvertiser.co.uk/news/1333718.second_arrest_for_broadband_tapping/0 -
ChristopheB wrote: »Althought I do tend to agree Sky is not a tangible product.
... Which you still have to pay for, like everything else. As the saying goes 'nothing's free in this world' and if I reiterate what you quoted in your other post "A person is guilty of theft, if he A) dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another
with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it
A) "They lose the rights that they have to distribute their material to whoever, and in a whatever method they wish to" If you download the none-royalty free media without paying then yes, you are permanently depriving the other of money. 0 -
... Which you still have to pay for, like everything else. As the saying goes 'nothing's free in this world' and if I reiterate what you quoted in your other post "A person is guilty of theft, if he A) dishonestly appropriates property belonging to anotherwith the intention of permanently depriving the other of it
A) "They lose the rights that they have to distribute their material to whoever, and in a whatever method they wish to" If you download the none-royalty free media without paying then yes, you are permanently depriving the other of money.
Sorry should have put on smilies at the end. It was a poke at some of the rubbish they put on Sky.0 -
ChristopheB wrote: »Interesting one.
Wifi is sort of gray area if it not encypted but I in reality it would be an offense under the
Communications Act 2003, section 125
Dishonestly obtaining electronic communications services
(1) A person who-
(a) dishonestly obtains an electronic communications service, and
(b) does so with intent to avoid payment of a charge applicable to the provision of that service,
is guilty of an offence.
Same I think goes for cable.
I suppose you could say they are stealing your bandwidth and especially if metered you would be deprived. Although I am not sure how the law works with regard to a service rather than property.
People have been arrested for it.
http://www.redditchadvertiser.co.uk/news/1333718.second_arrest_for_broadband_tapping/
Well, there you go, the same will apply for digital copywrited material
Dishonestly obtaining is another word for steeling. 0
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