Boris: Quitting EU won't solve our problems

GhIFA · 22 May 2013 at 4:13PM

Sampong wrote: »

That is precisely why they didn't sign. As I said earlier, the document isn't worth the paper it's written on and is just a political stunt to slam UKIP by labour.

Does beg the question then, if it is so worthless, why not call their bluff and sign it? It is a fairly anodyne document that basically says they will all denounce racism and work to promote equality for all.

If it isn't worth the paper it's written on then the UKIP councillors are at no disadvantage by signing it - in fact it would be good PR, would put to bed all those accusations of racism (except for those pesky hacked Facebook accounts of course).

Graham_Devon · 22 May 2013 at 4:16PM

GhIFA wrote: »

Does beg the question then, if it is so worthless, why not call their bluff and sign it? It is a fairly anodyne document that basically says they will all denounce racism and work to promote equality for all.

If it isn't worth the paper it's written on then the UKIP councillors are at no disadvantage by signing it - in fact it would be good PR, would put to bed all those accusations of racism (except for those pesky hacked Facebook accounts of course).

So basically "play the game"?

The reason they are doing so well is by doing precisely the opposite of that. They are doing well because they are not one of the main 3, all towing the same line.

Thing is, if they had signed, absolutely nothing would have even been said. All many want is to oust UKIP, regardless of how they do it.

It's shown Labour up to be the game player here - though obviously individuals may see diffently.

The shame, for me, is that we are handing over our tax money for councillors to play games for political advantage.

You don't "just so happen" to bring a 6 year old document to the table for nothing. How many other documents could they have bought for new councillors to sign? Possibly hundreds. Yet it's this one?

All just a silly game, one which UKIP seemingly don't wish to be part of.

GhIFA · 22 May 2013 at 4:31PM

So basically "play the game"?
The reason they are doing so well is by doing precisely the opposite of that.
They are doing well because they are not one of the main 3, all towing the same line.

Oh, so Farage's full page letter to the "swivel eyed loons" in the press was a real "cri de couer" then, and not an attempt to play the game. If you think UKIP aren't "playing the game" then you are incredibly naive.

It's shown Labour up to be the game player here

Yes, that's what all the press stories are saying, they're all talking about those naughty labour councillors.

All just a silly game, one which UKIP seemingly don't wish to be part of.

Of course - although there is nothing contentious in that document which would go against anything that UKIP claim to stand for. Although there is quite a bit that would go against what some of the UKIP councillors stand for, as demonstrated by their facebook accounts - which is probably the more likely explanation for their refusal to sign.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH · 22 May 2013 at 4:34PM

GhIFA wrote: »

Because his defence of "my facebook account was hacked, honest guv" (Twice....as it appears.....a year apart) is such a substantial defence.

wotsthat wrote: »

I call these a 'Bob Hope' defence based on when his wife caught him in bed with another woman..

Bob Hope was probably more convincing.

Remarkable, isn't it?

How so many UKIP member facebook accounts all seem to have been "hacked", but of course these claims of hacking are only made after the media find out about the racist/homophobic/bigoted statements made on them.

Has "my facebook account was hacked" become the new "the dog ate my homework"?

Are UKIP supporters now going to claim that all the user accounts on the official UKIP forum where so many of them were caught red handed making vile and disgusting racist and homophobic statements were also hacked?

Perhaps this is a job for Interpol?

The entire global hacking community seems dedicated to beating the online security of internet giants like facebook, and then only using their access to log onto UKIP members accounts and make bigoted statements....

GhIFA · 22 May 2013 at 4:37PM

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Remarkable, isn't it?

How so many UKIP member facebook accounts all seem to have been "hacked", but of course these claims of hacking are only made after the media find out about the racist/homophobic/bigoted statements made on them.

Has "my facebook account was hacked" become the new "the dog ate my homework"?

It's also remarkable that, on discovering the hacking of their said accounts, and realising quite how this might look from the outside given their positions as prospective councillors, they quickly deleted the offending comments and apologised for them appearing in the first place.

wotsthat · 22 May 2013 at 4:50PM

Graham_Devon wrote: »

It's shown Labour up to be the game player here - though obviously individuals may see diffently.

I'd completely disagree.

Labour don't agree with UKIP policies so they should be robustly denouncing UKIP and explaining why UKIP are wrong. Instead they're, shamefully in my view, sitting on the sidelines enjoying watching the conservative party cave in over Europe again.

Mr._Pricklepants · 22 May 2013 at 5:00PM

Doubts expressed over UKIP councillor’s ‘racist rant’ hacking defence.

“Chris Pain’s claims of ‘hacking’ are extremely improbable,” he said.

“He has a prolific habit of xenophobic/racist/far-right posting, posting or sharing offensive content on multiple occasions.

“Hacking might explain a one off out-of-character post - it cannot really explain such an obsession with hate-posting.

“The idea that Mr Pain would not notice account hacking over years defies belief.

http://www.skegnessstandard.co.uk/news/local/doubts-expressed-over-ukip-councillor-s-racist-rant-hacking-defence-1-5111839

Or as Sampong would say:

Sampong wrote: »

All I see is a genuine and innocent individual...

:rotfl:

leveller2911 · 22 May 2013 at 5:34PM

Mr._Pricklepants wrote: »

The audience here may be small, but if just one member decided to look a bit further behind the veneer of UKIP, it will be worth it.

Same could be said of the Tories and Nu-labour.They are no different at all, they are as corrupt and bigoted as any party if we bothered to dig a bit deeper.

Mr._Pricklepants · 5 June 2013 at 4:56PM

Sampong wrote: »

You've basically posted every smear news story you can, yet have no evidence to back any of it up. Absolutely none. I don't have the time nor the inclination to address every one of your aggressive, senseless posts but I have provided alternative views to two of them, Chris Pain being one and the other Alex Wood. Neither of which you have responded to with anything of any substance. In fact, you have purposefully ignored the posts.

UKIP's Chris Pain steps down as regional chairman in racist probe

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-22765204

Bye bye bigot! :wave:

Chris Pain, a Lincolnshire councillor for Boston, blamed the remarks on a hacker but said he was stepping down as a "gesture of goodwill".

Gesture of goodwill :rotfl:

Sampong · 5 June 2013 at 5:19PM

Mr._Pricklepants wrote: »

Bye bye bigot! :wave:

erm....OK. You'll still be calling him a bigot when he is cleared by the Police.

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