Boris: Quitting EU won't solve our problems

Mr._Pricklepants

Graham_Devon wrote: »

More and more are identifying with them. More and more appear to like the language used (as in the straight to the point stuff). So all your efforts are a little wasted.

True, true...a sad reflection on our society, but I accept that.
It's common knowledge that in economic downturns, people are more open to demagoguery, we've seen it many times in history.

Plenty of decent people voted for UKIP, disappointed in the 3 mainstream parties, attracted to this 'straight to the point stuff' as you say. But once they find out about the blatant racism, misogyny and bigotry within UKIP, they will think again. And that's where my effort comes in.

The audience here may be small, but if just one member decided to look a bit further behind the veneer of UKIP, it will be worth it.

GhIFA

Sampong wrote: »

I'm not digging a hole at all Mr Pricklepants. All I see is a genuine and innocent individual under attack from vile individuals like yourself, who would smear his name with no evidence.

Because his defence of "my facebook account was hacked, honest guv" (Twice....as it appears.....a year apart) is such a substantial defence.

wotsthat

GhIFA wrote: »

Because his defence of "my facebook account was hacked, honest guv" (Twice....as it appears.....a year apart) is such a substantial defence.

I call these a 'Bob Hope' defence based on when his wife caught him in bed with another woman..

However, on one occasion Dolores caught her husband in bed with one of his ladies. Out of control, she yanked the covers off Hope and his playmate of the night. Caught red-handed, Hope sat bolt upright in bed and exclaimed: “It isn’t me!”

Bob Hope was probably more convincing.

Mr._Pricklepants

News update.

Ukip Councillor Alan Jesson Accused Of Racist And Homophobic Rants On Facebook

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/21/ukip-councillor-alan-jesson-facebook_n_3312256.html

A Facebook account appearing to belong to Ukip's Alan Jesson, who was voted in as councillor for Spalding South in this year's local elections, tells a Polish woman to "f**k off" and another man his "culture is not welcome in the UK". He later to tells the man to "go home and eat wildlife."

I know, probably hacked also.
Seems to be a feature of many UKIP facebook accounts.

Graham_Devon

Has to be said, that's the first one I have seen with proper evidence, and he doesn't seem like a very nice man!

He'd be better off in the BNP, which he'll most likely end up.

Having said that, I've just done a search for his name, to see if I could find anything else. I couldn't on the racism stuff. However, I did come across something which exposes other parites somwhat. For it was this bloke, and his council, who were forced into a completely untenable position whereby they had to sign an "anti racism declaration" in their council. However, that declaration was purposely written to make sure that UKIP couldn't sign it. Labour then lambasted UKIP for not signing it, accusing them of not taking part in multicultural efforts.

What I'm saying is, there seems to be a lot of setting up going on at the moment to engineer something in order that a statement can be made about UKIP. This was only done 2 days ago.

The facebook stuff no one can defend. Just a nasty man - if all true, as the screenshots look a little weird (why so blurry?).

However, setting parties up and cobbling together movements purely created in order to claim the other party is racist isn't great either.

Just shows what we are paying our councillors to do really.

GhIFA

Graham_Devon wrote: »

However, that declaration was purposely written to make sure that UKIP couldn't sign it.

Obviously, being as it was written 6 years ago when UKIP were largely insignificant.

Mr._Pricklepants

Graham_Devon wrote: »

For it was this bloke, and his council, who were forced into a completely untenable position whereby they had to sign an "anti racism declaration" in their council. However, that declaration was purposely written to make sure that UKIP couldn't sign it.

Why is it an untenable position for UKIP to sign an "anti racism declaration"?

And it was not purposely written to force UKIP into anything. It was a reaffirmation of a previously approved text.

Labour deputy group leader Rob Parker said UKIP’s response was “seriously disappointing”.
He said: “The motion was passed in 2007 by all of the political parties and when we had a new council I thought it would be a good time to reaffirm our commitment to equalities.
“It’s about sending a message to our staff and the people we serve that we treat people equally.”

http://www.spaldingtoday.co.uk/news/latest-news/ukip-refuses-to-back-anti-racism-motion-1-5110406

Graham_Devon

Mr._Pricklepants wrote: »

True, true...a sad reflection on our society, but I accept that.
It's common knowledge that in economic downturns, people are more open to demagoguery, we've seen it many times in history.

Plenty of decent people voted for UKIP, disappointed in the 3 mainstream parties, attracted to this 'straight to the point stuff' as you say. But once they find out about the blatant racism, misogyny and bigotry within UKIP, they will think again. And that's where my effort comes in.

The audience here may be small, but if just one member decided to look a bit further behind the veneer of UKIP, it will be worth it.

Good post

Graham_Devon

Mr._Pricklepants wrote: »

Why is it an untenable position for UKIP to sign an "anti racism declaration"?

And it was not purposely written to force UKIP into anything. It was a reaffirmation of a previously approved text.



http://www.spaldingtoday.co.uk/news/latest-news/ukip-refuses-to-back-anti-racism-motion-1-5110406

And it just so happens that when UKIP counsellors come on board, they just so happen to re-visit this... something which hasn't been visited since 2007

All games.

Of course, now, it can be claimed they are racist as they won't sign something they were never ever party to and has only been dug out to catch them out.

If it doesn't actually help integration, but just supports multiculturalism, then good. I'm glad they didn't sign. We are only at the crossroads we are at now because integration (and the effects of) has been completely ignored.

Integration is absolutely key to multiculturalism. Otherwise, it's not multi at all. It's simply segregation.

If integration had been handled correctly, half the fuss that is today wouldn't even exist. People wouldn't be moaning about "other culture" schools not allowing English kids in, while nglish schools bend head over heals to do all they can.

Just signing to say you support multiculturalism while making no attempt to integrate the cultures sensibly is just asking for trouble....so I'd rather a party noted this. They may well be classed as racists, but theres absolutely nothing racist about their reasons for not signing.

Agaiun, UKIP wouldn't be where they are without these issues. The issues have to be idneitifed and planned for if we want multiculturalism. Calling it an "anti racist statement" for a start is a bit stupid.

Equality is not about race....as the UKIP councillor has stated. And I'd love to see someone try to make a case that it is.

Lack of integration creates racism. It's why we are where we are today. Multicultualism, today, as I see it, appears to be accepting every other culture and adapting ours. I'm sorry if that appears racist, but it's how I see it. I work within it, careful or what we do or say....yet for a white english male, the same rules do not apply. That's not multiculturalism. That's not equality, as the white english male ends up less equal.

If this makes UKIP racist, then it sure as hell makes nationlist SNP policies racist too.

Sampong

Graham_Devon wrote: »

And it just so happens that when UKIP counsellors come on board, they just so happen to re-visit this... something which hasn't been visited since 2007

All games.

Of course, now, it can be claimed they are racist as they won't sign something they were never ever party to and has only been dug out to catch them out.

Exactly

Graham_Devon wrote: »

If it doesn't actually help integration, but just supports multiculturalism, then good. I'm glad they didn't sign. We are only at the crossroads we are at now because integration (and the effects of) has been completely ignored.

That is precisely why they didn't sign. As I said earlier, the document isn't worth the paper it's written on and is just a political stunt to slam UKIP by labour.