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Does this suggest the tide is turning on immigration ?
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Butlins are within their rights to recruit from these places I guess.
Let's not pretend there isn't a knock-on cost though. Thousands of unemployed people here are being registered on the Work Program, in an attempt to keep them in touch with work. That is hugely expensive to the UK taxpayer, with pretty low success rates too.
We shouldn't complain when they have to commit another £5bn a few years down the line.0 -
Butlins are within their rights to recruit from these places I guess.
Let's not pretend there isn't a knock-on cost though. Thousands of unemployed people here are being registered on the Work Program, in an attempt to keep them in touch with work. That is hugely expensive to the UK taxpayer, with pretty low success rates too.
We shouldn't complain when they have to commit another £5bn a few years down the line.
On the flip side of the coin, though, we advertised 116 UK jobs last year, and of these, 19 went to British workers, 4 were internal company transfers (2 from UK, 2 from abroad), 83 went to EEC workers and 10 went to 'fresh' immigrants.
On the flip side, 97.6% of the applications came from either EEC or CIS countries.
Someone here please do the maths, as it would seem to me that if more people were applying, more jobs would be going to UK workers.
The main reason for 4 of these leaving (all long-term unemployed, 3 stayed) was that they 'didn't like working 3pm to 11pm'.
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I worked in Butlins for a summer job in the 90s. Then they used to recruit in the North by basically parking a coach outside of job centres and driving off when it was full.
A baffling belief spread around the thicker criminals of Manchester that Butlins was a sort of independent city state like the Vatican, and if you were wanted by the police they couldn't get to you onsite. There were a number of dawn raids on staff blocks for a while.
The majority of my colleagues were semi literate perfidious recalcitrant scoundrels. The place was a den of iniquity, vice , corruption, perversion, shirking, graft and morality that would have made a Roman emperor blush.
This was just before minimum wage when we got about £3 an hour. In real terms they aren't paying much more now, so I'm not surprised they are trying to harvest bright eyed hopefuls from Eastern Europe now.
There is a great book called Never Mind The Redcoats by a Paul Wojnicki that pretty much matches what I remember life on camp to be like.0 -
Surely the point of this story is not anti-immigration. The issue is that rather than advertise available jobs in the UK so that residents of the UK can apply for them (which means other EU nationals can do too) some employers are just advertising them ouside the UK to ensure applicants are not UK residents. They are also interviewed and selected abroad.
How can it be fair that UK residents are not allowed to apply for UK based jobs?
Does the fact that these are relatively low paid seasonal jobs mean that they aren't attractive/viable for UK unemployed. Losing some/all benefits for 4 months only to have to go through the "re-registering" process at the end? An overseas worker who can pack a rucksack for relatively good pay being easier to hire and drop?"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
ruggedtoast wrote: »I worked in Butlins for a summer job in the 90s. Then they used to recruit in the North by basically parking a coach outside of job centres and driving off when it was full.
A baffling belief spread around the thicker criminals of Manchester that Butlins was a sort of independent city state like the Vatican, and if you were wanted by the police they couldn't get to you onsite. There were a number of dawn raids on staff blocks for a while.
The majority of my colleagues were semi literate perfidious recalcitrant scoundrels. The place was a den of iniquity, vice , corruption, perversion, shirking, graft and morality that would have made a Roman emperor blush.
This was just before minimum wage when we got about £3 an hour. In real terms they aren't paying much more now, so I'm not surprised they are trying to harvest bright eyed hopefuls from Eastern Europe now.
There is a great book called Never Mind The Redcoats by a Paul Wojnicki that pretty much matches what I remember life on camp to be like.
OMG So did I. Summer of 1984:)
I was 21 + @ college and needed something to get me through the summer (in the olden days of no work, no moneh).
I remember getting a bar job in a club in the West End and then got sacked after 4 weeks as the manager got fresh and I told him where to go (normal stuff in the olden days) so next day I went to the local job centre, saw bar job in Bognor Butlins, applied and went down there.
Well, the bit about the Notherners was true, I reckon 95% from up north.
I met a few running away from things too (not always crime but family problems etc)
The accomodation was basic and we shared rooms, had no ensuite stuff.....just huge dingy bath houses (with no plugs so you had to jam a tissue down it). The canteen food was dire too.
I remember having £50 in my hand for a week.
I learnt to roller blade in my spare time along the front.
Whenever I hear 'Careless Whisper' I am taken back to the 'nightclub' where we would go after our bar shut at about 11.30pm.
I did 5 weeks before having enough as my new room mate would bring lads back to the room (post the 'Careles Whisper ' slow dance) and ..well, I had had enough by then.
It was an interesting experience though.0 -
Perhaps the people recruiting are Eastern European themselves........0
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grizzly1911 wrote: »Does the fact that these are relatively low paid seasonal jobs mean that they aren't attractive/viable for UK unemployed. Losing some/all benefits for 4 months only to have to go through the "re-registering" process at the end? An overseas worker who can pack a rucksack for relatively good pay being easier to hire and drop?
I would have thought so....someone can work there for 4 months, pack up and get something else in another town or back to London for the winter.
If you are local what else is there for the other 8 months?0 -
Yes I agree but generally what is referred to as "immigration" issues are issues caused by EU freedom of movement rules - this being one of them. Without freedom of movement Butlins would still be employing British workers instead of recruiting cheap labour from Eastern Europe. And, under the laws and rules we subscribe to - they are not doing anything wrong. Political parties at the moment are promising to tighten up on this sort of thing - but that will prove difficult whilst still remaining compliant with EU law.
Another reason why I want out of the EU and a more sensible points based immigration system. Of course, those of us that want a sensible immigration policy (note that this does not mean NO immigration) have to get used to being called racists, xenophobes.....etc etc
It's a fate shared by Diane James, the Eastleigh UKIP candidate who beat the Tories into 3rd place. She and UKIP were called a "disgusting" party who "prey on the vulnerable in society" by a young lady in the audience, who......as it turns out just happens to be a paid labour party activist "randomly" selected by the labour supporter Dimbelby.
So "random" was the selection that she somehow knew prior to the show that her question was going to be selected and was bragging about it on her twitter page asking all her followers to watch QT.
What a corrupt shambles the BBC is.
Do you genuinely believe that David Dimbleby chooses the question time audience and the questions they ask? Seriously. No actually, are you serious?0 -
chewmylegoff wrote: »Do you genuinely believe that David Dimbleby chooses the question time audience and the questions they ask? Seriously. No actually, are you serious?
He doesn't? I thought he picked the guests too.
Thank goodness I don't pay my license fee. If I did I'd be slightly annoyed.0 -
Because Romamia and Bulgaria are in relative poverty. The outcry is that they might come here just to sign on the dole rather than graft like the Poles did.
There's an interesting article by Tim Harford (the Undercover Economist) in the FT re migrants and benefits. It says that most of the migrants claiming benefits are from outside of the EU and that there isn't any evidence to suggest that the Romanians and Bulgarians will do anything other than come here and graft:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/45120e10-869d-11e2-b907-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2N2QFbPYt
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