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Would you like the UK out of the European Union?
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Any organisation that turned a blind eye to let Greece in is deeply flawed and should be treated with suspicion.0
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chewmylegoff wrote: »my view isn't that there is little wrong with the EU, only that exactly the same things afflict the EU as our own government, and you aren't fixing the problem by leaving the EU. (i feel the same way about e.g. scottish independence from the UK).
Surely, that is an argument for smaller governments, not a larger one in which we have even less say in our own affairs?
The EU is profoundly undemocratic - as the people of Greece and Italy have both found out in recent months when their governments were deposed without the troubling necessity of elections.0 -
The reasons for leaving (once the current financial eye of the storm has sufficiently passed over) include;
+ More local decision making - aren't we forever saying localism is a plus
+ Remove a layer of buracracy
+ More accountability in terms of funds and where they go
+ A leaner more responsive society and economy where the head is closer to the hands
+ No more slavish following of directives that Italians and others ignore
+ Less funding of white lephantsjamesmorgan wrote: »Any discussions on the EU get complicated by the number of parallel agreements, for example:
a) European Free Trade Agreement (EFTA) - this provides free trade between EU states and certain non-EU states within Europe (currently Switzerland, Norway, Iceland and Lichtenstein)
b) The Schengen agreement - this allows for freedom of movement across countries. The UK and Ireland have opted out of this, but non-EU countries such as Norway and Iceland have opted in.
c) European Court of Human Rights - this provides a common legal framework and human rights for 47 states who together constitute the Council of Europe (which currently also includes all EU countries, but is entirely separate from the EU).
Based on this, it does bring into question exactly what is the EU? It is not required for free trade (encompassed by the EFTA), or freedom of movement (the Schengen agreement) nor a common legal system. One can only assume that the primary purpose of the EU is to provide a framework that will ultimately lead to a United States of Europe. If the UK doesn't wish to proceed down this route, the most sensible course of action is to simply join the EFTA.
Where to begin?Surely, that is an argument for smaller governments, not a larger one in which we have even less say in our own affairs?
The EU is profoundly undemocratic - as the people of Greece and Italy have both found out in recent months when their governments were deposed without the troubling necessity of elections.
The EFTA side of the EEA supplies much the same benefits at a fraction of the cost of EU membership. Plus we'd have control of our fisheries which were sacrificed as a bribe to Brussels to let us in. Greenland led the way here.
Some people have argued that if Scotland splits off, it (or the rest of the UK) may not be EU members any more.
Bring it on, say I, couldn't be less bothered.
Off to Geneva's slimmed down organisation instead of Brussel's bloated bureaucracy.:DThere is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker0 -
That lunatic dim woman on Newsnight yesterday arguing EU policies have benefited Britain - so profoundly short sighted it beggars belief.
Let's take one of her benefits; She argued Britain had benefited by having longer paternity pay.
She like many on the left only look at inputs.
The output downside of longer paternity pay is that prices increase, Britain looses out to cheaper less regulated economies, real people here therefore have no job. Thats the real and terrible cost that greedy entitled European social policy causes.
This woman doesn't consider the whole sequence of events that entitled greedy benefits lead to.
All she see's is some 6th form leftist idealism - ooohhh how happy clappy, longer paternity pay, hoorah.
It's because of her mindset that Europe is in the place it is now.
The Banking crisis only bought forward the inevitable reckoning that is entitled greedy Europeans have the arrogance to have persistently lived way beyond means in order to fund a greedy entitled lifestyle.
Of course these very same people then go out thier way to buy cheap products made in China and in effect perpetuate European decline and prop up the very unregulated unentitled societies they do not want here.0 -
What are people going to do about it? In the past you could raise an army and march on Parliament. Today you can't get the !!!!less paupers out of bed before 10am. All the Government needs to do to keep people happy is pay them benefits.
Bureaucracy fights the long game, it's a very clever parasite. It worms it's way into the victim and initially helps it out but as it grows it becomes stronger, the victim and the bureaucracy need each other to survive but still bureaucracy takes takes takes until the victim becomes the parasite on bureaucracy.The J is a Financial Advisor-This site doesn't check anyone's status and as such any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as financial advice. Always seek professional advice.0 -
Id like to be in a Union, but a Dictatorship no !0
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Just learn to accept it. You'll be much less miserable. And you'll never have to follow any of the ludicrous leaders that always drift to the top in the Right.What are people going to do about it?"It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
The EU exists to solve a problem that Britain is not part of. It exists solely to stop Europe starting wars with itself, becoming communist, or throwing up fascist regimes.
The UK can benefit from this stability without having to be part of the stifling blanket of European Unification. We have already done enough.
Britain fought two world wars to stop far right nationalism in Europe, put our existence as a nation on the line (partly) over human rights when the Germans were putting jews in death camps and the French were collaborating with them, literally bankrupted ourselves post WWII to supply Germany and stop them becoming communist and have ever since along with the USA guaranteed Europe's military security while they create vast expensive armies of conscripted boy scouts.
After all this Europe has now managed the incredible feat of going 6 entire decades without jeopardising the planet.
Britain isnt going to become a communist state, we arent going to become a fascist state, we arent going to invade France and we don't need European courts to lecture us on human rights when they have an abominable historical record of how they treat people themselves.
Europe has more than earned it's strait jacket, there is no reason for us to have to join them inside it.0 -
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Only a small sample but I guess if it were bigger the results wouldn't change. Pretty conclusive that there needs to be a referendum on this issue. A view that other people are slowly coming round to.0
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