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Bulk LPG - Cheapest suppliers / supply route?

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  • frankie
    frankie Posts: 848 Forumite
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    Yes this has been the case for some time with EDF, don't know about other suppliers.

    EDF here in SE Cornwall on online saver7 get Just over £8 per year if not on mains gas. Hardly a big saving!!

    I guess that is what they mean by UP TO £24 per year. Maybe other tariffs/suppliers are better?
  • HateLPG
    HateLPG Posts: 464 Forumite
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    frankie wrote: »
    Yes this has been the case for some time with EDF, don't know about other suppliers.

    EDF here in SE Cornwall on online saver7 get Just over £8 per year if not on mains gas. Hardly a big saving!!

    I guess that is what they mean by UP TO £24 per year. Maybe other tariffs/suppliers are better?

    It's supposedly £8 p.a. for standard payment plans, £24 per year if paying by Direct Debit. Not much to shout about, but better than a slap in the face with a wet fish!!!! ;)
  • HateLPG
    HateLPG Posts: 464 Forumite
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    edited 7 February 2011 at 11:18PM
    There was an interesting debate on Fuel Poverty in parliament on 19th January (http://www.theyworkforyou.com/whall/?id=2011-01-19a.255.0&s=lpg#g277.2). I haven't had time (yet) to read through and digest it in its entirety, but there are a few things that stand out and (in my opinion) need "correction", as I don't think some of our MPs truly grasp how the market operates.

    I think Albert Owen (Labour, Ynys Môn) probaby DOES "get it" (see http://www.theyworkforyou.com/whall/?gid=2011-01-19a.265.1), but I'm not so sure about some of the others though. Specifically, see the contribution from Albert Owen at http://www.theyworkforyou.com/whall/?id=2011-01-19a.255.0#g277.0 and the two following responses from Charles Hendry (Conservative, Wealden. Minister of State (Renewable Energy), Energy and Climate Change) and Roger Williams (Liberal Democrat, Brecon and Radnorshire).

    Maybe worth bearing in mind - I think Albert Owen could be a potentially strong ally - although it's always problematical getting an MP who isn't your constituency MP to enter into any kind of dialogue!


    I can feel another letter coming on ;)
  • HateLPG
    HateLPG Posts: 464 Forumite
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    Just on the vague offchance that anyone is still actually following this thread, I thought I would post the following. It's a written question to Charles Hendry MP in respect of LPG pricing and his written answer.
    Mark Tami (Alyn and Deeside, Labour)
    To ask the Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change what assessment he has made of the relationship between price fluctuations and market considerations in the pricing structure of the domestic liquefied petroleum gas market.


    Charles Hendry (Minister of State (Renewable Energy), Energy and Climate Change; Wealden, Conservative)
    The price of liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) is influenced by a range of factors which include refinery capacity, stock levels, distribution costs, retail margins and exchange rates.

    The UK has open and competitive markets for LPG. In a competitive market, prices are determined by costs faced by companies. As such, prices fluctuates with changes in costs. I refer the hon. Member to the written ministerial statement I made on 21 January 2011, Hansard, column 55WS. I am keen that the reasons for high prices and supply issues this winter are thoroughly investigated by an independent authority. I wrote to the Office of Fair Trading (OFT) to ask it to bring forward its competition and consumer study into off-grid energy. I also asked the OFT if the study could explore the longer term consumer issues such as lifetime payback, consumer standards and labelling for alternative energy sources or supplies. Such a study would provide an independent assessment of the off-grid market and establish what further action may be necessary to ensure it works properly.

    I welcome the independent assessment of the off-grid market to be made by the OFT, and we look forward to seeing its conclusions in advance of next winter so that the lessons from this winter can be learned and any necessary changes made.
    (from http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2011-02-08a.38737.h&s=LPG#g38737.r0)

    Personally, I think his response is a bit weak and equivocal, but then I have an agenda: I firmly believe domestic LPG prices are too high. YMMV.

    That said, I do welcome the referal to the OFT.
  • HateLPG
    HateLPG Posts: 464 Forumite
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    Quote from Charles Hendry - extract from a Domestic Heating Oil debate in the House of Commons, 9 February 2011, 8:10 pm (http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2011-02-09a.434.0&s=LPG#g438.5)
    ...As the Competition Commission completed an in-depth investigation of the LPG market in 2006, with market orders from 2009 to enable switching between suppliers, the OFT also proposes to focus on the effect of those orders so far. The OFT retains an ongoing statutory duty to consider from time to time whether the orders are being complied with. Market studies by the OFT involve an analysis of a particular market with the aim of identifying and addressing any aspects of market failure, from competition issues to consumer detriment, and the effect of Government regulations. This can result in a range of different outcomes. There can be enforcement action by the OFT. There can be a reference to the Competition Commission. There can be recommendations for changes in laws and regulations. There can be recommendations to regulators, self-regulatory bodies and others to consider changes to their rules. There can be recommendations to specific businesses. There can be campaigns to promote consumer education and awareness. Alternatively, a clean bill of health can be issued. It is at this point that we will need to decide whether additional regulatory powers are necessary.

    The consultation by the OFT closes on 28 February. The OFT has asked to receive representations from interested parties on the planning scope and issues for the study before formally carrying out its investigation of the off-grid energy market. I re-iterate that a market study is distinct from an investigation. A market study is not about any particular company or business, but instead considers the overall market structure. Investigations into specific companies will be prompted by direct evidence of market abuse, and be undertaken separately.

    I therefore encourage hon. Members on both sides of the House to participate actively in the investigation, and to raise their constituents' concerns directly with the OFT. We have listened to the concerns expressed from every part of this country, from every political party and from all types of different communities, and we have decided that a full investigation into the way this market is working is now appropriate.

    I am very pleased that the OFT is going to take forward that work formally. I believe that it will enable us to ensure that we can learn from the problems experienced this winter and go forward into next winter with a market that is more fit for purpose, so that all our constituents can benefit as we would wish them to do...
    From recent discussions I have had with the OFT, they are also (unusually) interested in direct contributions from consumers. Remember, Flogas, Calor, BP, Shell et.al. will be investing considerable corporate resource into putting their side of the story and defending their positions, so if you haven't done so already, now is probably time to get your thinking-caps on and you letters in and take this golden opportunity to tell the other side of the story!
  • HateLPG
    HateLPG Posts: 464 Forumite
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    edited 15 February 2011 at 12:14AM
    Domestic-vs-auto_LPG.gif
    Spot:
    1. The "fair" prices;
    2. The "introductory specials"
    3. The "rip off prices"!
    No prizes :D
  • Brilliant graph. Says it all. Where is it from?
  • HateLPG
    HateLPG Posts: 464 Forumite
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    edited 12 February 2011 at 2:10AM
    Den2Mark wrote: »
    Brilliant graph. Says it all. Where is it from?

    Prices quoted on this thread, the nice people at www.whatgas.com and a bit of jiggery-pokery with Excel :)

    And, with a little more jiggery-pokery, we get:

    LPG-by_supplier-independents-plus-big-4.gif

    and:

    LPG-by_supplier-independents.gif

    Draw your own conclusions! Enjoy :D
  • meagan
    meagan Posts: 34 Forumite
    Thanks for the graphs,I think this information will be useful to everyone in the future months
  • GrandadRob
    GrandadRob Posts: 91 Forumite
    edited 13 February 2011 at 7:19PM
    Tank has just dipped below 30 percent, so time to have a ring around for a new deal.
    Only one so far to report....Calor 44.9 rise limit 3.5p in 6 months.
    More soon....
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