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                    Hi All,
I would appreciate some advice as I draft my defence for a case from Parking Eye.
I parked at a hotel for an hour and didn’t see the signs requiring a fee. I entered the hotel and had a meeting and left. There was a ipad device in the hotel that I couldn’t fine that needed my vrn and £6. I had just moved house and was in the process of updating the DVLA. This happened in the early August. The hotel was in the middle of nowhere so I’m surprised they even charge for parking.
PE sent an NTK to my old address and many subsequent letters. On October 1st, I received a letter at my new address asking for the £100 which I ignored. The original NTK was not sent with this letter but it stated that they informed me in mid sept that I had become liable as the keeper for the offence which took place In early aug. It mentioned POFA. I ignored this.
I then received a LBC. At this point I emailed PE stating that the that POFA 2012 didn’t apply as i was informed after 14 days from the incident. They emailed back to say things were on hold.
At this point my job changed and I no longer had access to my old email address. I received no further letter until a small claim court letter turned up. I requested a SARS and it looks like they emailed me back a month after my email to say that they didn’t accept my response. As I didn’t get any reply I assumed they had just given up.
The SARS also has the NTK saying that the incident was indeed on early August but the NTK was issued a couple of days later. Of course it has my old address on it.
So in addition to unclear signs and the hidden ipad, I was wondering if I should complain about the process they followed? Or is it my fault for moving house and then changing email address?
Also is my POFA 2012 defence not worth pursuing as the NTK is within 14 days of the incident even though I didn’t receive it and the letter I did received said I had become liable as the keeper in mid September.
Advice is appreciated. Thank you in advance.
                I would appreciate some advice as I draft my defence for a case from Parking Eye.
I parked at a hotel for an hour and didn’t see the signs requiring a fee. I entered the hotel and had a meeting and left. There was a ipad device in the hotel that I couldn’t fine that needed my vrn and £6. I had just moved house and was in the process of updating the DVLA. This happened in the early August. The hotel was in the middle of nowhere so I’m surprised they even charge for parking.
PE sent an NTK to my old address and many subsequent letters. On October 1st, I received a letter at my new address asking for the £100 which I ignored. The original NTK was not sent with this letter but it stated that they informed me in mid sept that I had become liable as the keeper for the offence which took place In early aug. It mentioned POFA. I ignored this.
I then received a LBC. At this point I emailed PE stating that the that POFA 2012 didn’t apply as i was informed after 14 days from the incident. They emailed back to say things were on hold.
At this point my job changed and I no longer had access to my old email address. I received no further letter until a small claim court letter turned up. I requested a SARS and it looks like they emailed me back a month after my email to say that they didn’t accept my response. As I didn’t get any reply I assumed they had just given up.
The SARS also has the NTK saying that the incident was indeed on early August but the NTK was issued a couple of days later. Of course it has my old address on it.
So in addition to unclear signs and the hidden ipad, I was wondering if I should complain about the process they followed? Or is it my fault for moving house and then changing email address?
Also is my POFA 2012 defence not worth pursuing as the NTK is within 14 days of the incident even though I didn’t receive it and the letter I did received said I had become liable as the keeper in mid September.
Advice is appreciated. Thank you in advance.
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            Hi and welcome.
 Your thread title implies that you have received a County Court Claim but you don't mention that in your post.
 Have you received a County Court Claim Form?
 If so, what is the Issue Date on it, and did it come from the County Court Business Centre in Northampton, or from somewhere else?0
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 Base your draft defence on the ParkingEye hidden keypad Odeon one in the NEWBIES thread post #2, and adapt it to suit.There was a ipad device in the hotel that I couldn’t fine that needed my vrn and £6.
 e.g. change Odeon to the Hotel name of course and edit anything wring, such as reference to free parking due to it being £6 in your case.
 No links needed, one click back and you are looking at the NEWBIES thread, see my signature below (not visible on a phone).PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
 CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
 Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD0
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            Keith,
 Yes its a county court claim from Northampton. I went back to the car park and it appear they also have a pay and display machine but its also hidden. I will file the following defence based on the one in the newbies threat:-
 In the County Court
 Claim Number: xxxxxxx
 Between
 ParkingEye Ltd
 v
 xx
 DEFENCE
 Background - the driver was an authorised patron of the onsite business
 1. The Defendant is the registered keeper of the vehicle in question. The Claim relates to an alleged debt arising from the driver's alleged breach of contract, which is denied. It is further denied that there was any agreement to pay the Claimant a punitive £100 'parking charge notice' (PCN) for the lawful conduct described below.
 2. The allegation appears to be that the 'vehicle was not authorised to use the car park' based on images by their ANPR camera at the entrance and exit to the site. This is merely an image of the vehicle in transit and is no evidence of 'No Authorisation' or not being a patron of the facility.
 3. The Defendant has already proved that patronage, and it is the Claimant's own failure, caused by their deliberately obscure terms and terminal that catches out far too many victims at this location, that has given rise to a PCN that was not properly issued from the outset.
 Unclear terms - unconscionable penalty relying upon a hidden keypad
 4. According to the unclear signs in this car park, hotel guests are directed to enter their VRN and pay £5. The signs mention a Pay & Display machine, however, this is not readily visible and is hidden behind a brick wall opposite to where visitors walk in from the car park. This was far from clearly signed and the purported keypad was nowhere to be seen.
 4.1. It is contended that the Claimant failed to alert regular local visitors to an onerous method of payment and use of a terminal, or risk £100 penalty. The Claimant is put to strict proof, with the bar being set by Denning LJ in J Spurling Ltd v Bradshaw [1956] in the well-known 'Red Hand Rule' where hidden/unknown terms were held to be unenforceable: ''Some clauses which I have seen would need to be printed in red ink...with a red hand pointing to it before the notice could be held to be sufficient.''
 5. Upon receiving the claim, the Defendant researched this all too common issue and was advised to complain to the landowner. Unsurprisingly, this was conspicuous by its absence as an option offered by ParkingEye in their signs or paperwork, prior to commencing proceedings. The Manager was incensed that these complaints were becoming a regular occurrence, blighting the business and upsetting customers ever since the ill-advised contract began.
 5.1. The Manager stated that the staff now have to take time out to verbally prompt the customers that come in because the terminal used for signing in VRN details is far from obvious. The Manager expressed his disgust with the Claimant suing their patrons and driving away business, and sent a clear email stating his wish that the unfair PCN be cancelled.
 5.2. The only route offered was a supposed 'appeal' to ParkingEye themselves, but the Defendant knew that no offence or mischief had occurred and honestly believed from initial research, that private parking charges and the appeals systems were unlikely to be fairly weighted in favour of consumers.
 5.3. This fact was later confirmed in all readings of the Private Parking Code of Practice Bill, from February 2018 to date, where MPs universally condemned the entire industry as operating 'an outrageous scam' typically relying upon hidden, punitive terms that purposely rely on drivers not seeing an unexpected obligation. Both the British Parking Association ('BPA') Trade Body and indeed, ParkingEye themselves were specifically named and shamed more than once in Parliament and the Bill was introduced purely because the industry is out of control, self regulation has failed, and in many cases any 'appeal' is futile.
 No legitimate interest - the penalty rule remains engaged
 6. The Claimant is put to strict proof that it has sufficient proprietary interest in the land, or that it has the necessary authorisation from the landowner to issue parking charge notices in these circumstances, and to pursue payment in the court in their own name. Even if they hold such authority, the Claimant is put to strict proof that this authorisation expressly allows litigation against patrons even when the business in fact supports the Defendant in wanting an unfair charge to be cancelled.
 7. Even if the Claimant is able to produce such a landowner contract, it is averred that there can be no legitimate interest arguable by the Claimant in this case. When - all too often at this location - ParkingEye unfairly harvest the data of a registered keeper to charge a genuine patron, any commercial justification in the form of landowner support for such unfair ticketing is de facto absent.
 7.1. Further, there was no overstay nor any mischief to deter, nor was there any misuse of a valuable parking space by the Defendant, whose car was parked in good faith, not in contravention nor causing an obstruction, and was certainly not 'unauthorised'. With no 'legitimate interest' excuse for charging this unconscionable sum given the above facts, this Claimant's claim is reduced to an unrecoverable penalty and must fail.
 7.2. This case is fully distinguished in all respects from ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67. That Supreme Court decision sets a high bar for parking firms, not a blanket precedent, and the Beavis case essentially turned on a 'complex' and compelling legitimate interest and very clear notices, where the terms were held not to involve any lack of good faith or 'concealed pitfall or trap'. Completely unlike the instant case.
 8. In addition, there can be no cause of action in a parking charge case without a 'relevant obligation' and/or 'relevant contract' (the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 refers). Expecting a driver to somehow realise they need to input their VRN into an unseen keypad, in what the consumer is confident is an unrestricted free car park for patrons with no visible machines of any description, is indisputably a 'concealed pitfall' and cannot be described as a 'relevant obligation'.
 9. This Claimant uses ANPR camera systems to process data but fails to comply with the Information Commissioner's 'Data Protection Code of Practice for Surveillance Cameras and Personal Information' (the ICO Code). This is both a specific Data Protection and BPA Code of Practice breach. The Supreme Court Judges in Beavis held that a Code of Practice is effectively 'regulation' for this blatantly rogue industry, full compliance with which is both mandatory and binding upon any parking operator.
 9.1. The ICO Code applies to all ANPR systems, and states that the private sector is required to follow it, in order to meet its legal obligations as a data processor. Members of the BPA are required to comply fully with the Data Protection Act (DPA) and all ICO rules and guidelines, as a pre-requisite of being able to use the DVLA KADOE system and in order to enforce parking charges on private land. At this location, the Claimant has failed on all counts and the data gathered about patrons of the site is unconscionable and excessive, given the lack of transparency about the risk of a charge for failing to do something that the driver never knew was a requirement.
 Lack of good faith, fairness or transparency and misleading business practices
 10. If a parking firm was truly acting in good faith and keeping the interests of consumers at the heart of their thinking, they would concentrate on ensuring firstly, that patrons could not miss the keypad(s) and secondly, could not miss the fact that, if they did receive an unfair PCN as a genuine customer, they had a right to ask the landowner/Managers to cancel it. Clearly the Claimants interest is purely in misleading and punishing customers and extracting as much money as possible in three figure penalties, given that this is the only way ParkingEye make any money.
 11. The Claimant's negligent or deliberately unfair business practice initially caused the unfair PCN to arise, then the Claimant's silence regarding the simple option of landowner cancellation rights, directly caused these unwarranted proceedings. This Claimant cannot be heard to blame consumers for not trying a futile 'appeal' to them, whilst themselves hoping the Defendant does not discover that ParkingEye withheld the option of landowner cancellation all along.
 11.1. By failing to adequately alert patrons to the keypad, and then withholding from the registered keeper any/all information about the 'user agreement' with the landowner which would have enable an immediate route of cancellation, are 'misleading omissions' of material facts. These are specific breaches of the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 and transgress the tests of fairness and transparency of consumer contracts, as set out in the Consumer Rights Act 2015 (this relatively untested legislation was enacted after the final hearing in Beavis and not actively considered in that case). As such, this claim must fail.
 Inflation of the parking charge and double recovery - an abuse of process
 12. This claim inflates the total charges in a clear attempt at double recovery. The Defendant trusts that the presiding Judge will recognise this wholly unreasonable conduct as a gross abuse of process. It was held in the Supreme Court in Beavis (where £85 was claimed, and no more) that a private parking charge already includes a very significant and high percentage in profit and more than covers the costs of running an automated regime of template letters. Thus, there can be no 'costs' to pile on top of any parking charge claim.
 13. In addition to the original penalty, the Claimants have artificially inflated the value of the Claim by adding purported legal costs of £50, which have not actually been incurred by the Claimant. ParkingEye Ltd have not expended any such sum in this case, given that they have a Legal Team with salaried in-house Solicitors and (shamefully) this firm whose main business is supposed to be parking 'management' as a service provision, files tens of thousands of similar 'cut & paste' robo-claims per annum. No genuine legal costs arise, per case, and their in-house Solicitors cannot possibly be believed to be paid in the millions per annum for their services.
 14. The added 'legal' cost is in fact an artificially invented figure, which represents a cynical attempt to circumvent the Small Claims costs rules and achieve double recovery. According to Ladak v DRC Locums UKEAT/0488/13/LA, a Claimant can only recover the direct and provable costs of the time spent by legally qualified staff on actually preparing the claim and/or the cost of obtaining advice for that specific claim, in a legal capacity.
 15. The defendant denies the claim in its entirety voiding any liability to the claimant for all amounts claimed due to the aforementioned reasons. The Court is invited to dismiss the Claim, and to allow such Defendant's costs as are permissible under Civil Procedure Rule 27.14.
 I confirm that the facts in this defence are true to the best of my knowledge and belief.
 Name/signature
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            Were the signs adequate, have you read this?
 https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5972164/parking-eye-signs-oxford-road-reading
 and enlist the support of your MP as they are obviously trying to scam you.
 Parliament is well aware of the MO of these private parking companies, and on 15th March 2019 a Bill was enacted to curb the excesses of these shysters. Codes of Practice are being drawn up, an independent appeals service will be set up, and access to the DVLA's date base more rigorously policed, and persistent offenders denied access. Hopefully life will become impossible for the worst of these scammers.
 Until this is done you should still complain to your MP, citing the new legislation.
 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/8/contents/enacted
 Just as the clampers were finally closed down, so hopefully will many of these Private Parking Companies.You never know how far you can go until you go too far.0
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            I also noticed that when I want to upload my defence there is a maximum of 122 lines on the defence particulars. I thought this is where I upload the defence but my current defence far exceeds 122 lines0
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            The deep,
 There is a lot of signage but its all 7 feet or so of the ground with lots of different fonts, some of which is very very small.
 k0
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 If you had answered KeithP’s question in post #2 on 11/05, he would have explained precisely how you avoid this in his almost immediate response.I also noticed that when I want to upload my defence there is a maximum of 122 lines on the defence particulars. I thought this is where I upload the defence but my current defence far exceeds 122 linesIf so, what is the Issue Date on it, and did it come from the County Court Business Centre in Northampton, or from somewhere else?
 Regulars don’t ask random, pointless questions, they are asked with the express purpose of helping you. We have so many to help, not responding to questions moves regulars on to other cases very quickly.Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .
 I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.
 Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street0
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            It was issued on the 10th April. I have done these AoS to extend it 28 days.0
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            Any other defence thread where the person has already declared their claim form date, shows you how to email your signed defence (DON'T use MCOL).
 Should take you 2 minutes to find a defence thread near yours with KeithP's standard reply on, that you could have had by now!
 Your defence looks fine but make it clear the signs were not seen either, otherwise a Judge would question why you didn't ask at the hotel if you knew about these rules:4. According to the unclear signs in this car park - which were not seen at all, due to their high position, plus the shadows and trees in the car park - hotel guests are directed to enter their VRN and pay £5. The signs mention a Pay & Display machine, however, this is not readily visible and is hidden behind a brick wall opposite to where visitors walk in from the car park. This was far from clearly signed and the purported keypad was nowhere to be seen.
 Also if you were the driver, SAY SO as it's a more honest position to start from and appear at the hearing with, given that PE have probably complied with the POFA anyway so no point hiding who was driving IN THIS CASE even though we normally would.PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
 CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
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            Found it thanks.0
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