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    • fibonarchie
    • By fibonarchie 12th Aug 18, 1:58 PM
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    any housewives out there?
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    • 12th Aug 18, 1:58 PM
    any housewives out there? 12th Aug 18 at 1:58 PM
    I was listening to a programme on the radio last night about housewives (or the history of being a housewife in Britain and how it's changed over the decades)

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07kl9gk

    Experts have done the sums, and it appears that if housewives were actually paid for what they do (namely, childcare, cleaning, etc) their annual salary would be in the region of 48k

    I always found it interesting that when you pay someone to look after your children childcare is regarded as a job, but for those who take the trouble to look after their children themselves, people consider it a non-job and a cushy way of life. Same with cleaning. What would a cleaner get paid - 12 per hour or so? All done for free by the housewife.

    It was an interesting programme, and sparked off several trains of discussion, - among them: should housewives be paid for what they do, and (more contentiously) has feminism made it difficult for women to make the choice to be a housewife these days. In fact the term 'housewife' itself is seen as a sort of a put-down, by many people.

    Looking after the home and children is for many women (and doubtless some men) a rewarding job but obviously not one that everyone is cut out for.

    Discuss

    (By the way, wasn't sure whether to post this on here, the Old Style board or discussion time. Mods pls move the thread if it belongs somewhere else )
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    • JulieElizabeth
    • By JulieElizabeth 12th Aug 18, 2:00 PM
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    I'm not a housewife. I live alone. So who should be paying me for cleaning my own house?
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    • fibonarchie
    • By fibonarchie 12th Aug 18, 2:02 PM
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    I'm not a housewife. I live alone. So who should be paying me for cleaning my own house?
    Originally posted by JulieElizabeth
    Not relevant to you, then. Did you look at the thread title?
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    • LilElvis
    • By LilElvis 12th Aug 18, 2:06 PM
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    I'm a non-working wife and mother. Don't call myself a housewife though - I've never felt it necessary to give myself a pseudo working title.
    • ska lover
    • By ska lover 12th Aug 18, 2:08 PM
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    Not relevant to you, then. Did you look at the thread title?
    Originally posted by fibonarchie
    But it kind of is, because although you mention housewives being paid to clean their own houses...why would working people NOT be paid to clean their own houses/look after their own kids? Working for a living would become a waste of time (financially speaking) if you could stay at home and clean/look after kids, instead of working 12 hour days for a wage, then coming home to clean

    If i could earn 12 an hour to stay home and clean and be a housewife....I am there
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    • fibonarchie
    • By fibonarchie 12th Aug 18, 2:13 PM
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    But it kind of is, because although you mention housewives being paid to clean their own houses...why would working people NOT be paid to clean their own houses/look after their own kids? Working for a living would become a waste of time (financially speaking) if you could stay at home and clean/look after kids, instead of working 12 hour days for a wage, then coming home to clean

    If i could earn 12 an hour to stay home and clean and be a housewife....I am there
    Originally posted by ska lover
    I think the term housewife implies making a conscious decision to stay home and look after your husband and bring up your children, instead of going out to purse a career of your own.
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    • elsien
    • By elsien 12th Aug 18, 2:17 PM
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    I listened to the programme as well. It reminded me of my grandmother who had to hide that she was married in order to keep her job as a teacher.
    I was very surprised by the post-war housewives campaign against things like the NHS.
    What struck me was the middle class element who had to stay at home because it reflected poorly on their husbands to have a working wife, and working class women who had no option but to work to survive. No mention of the uppe classes of the time, in that respect.
    All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well.

    Pedant alert - it's could have, not could of.
    • Lrimas
    • By Lrimas 12th Aug 18, 2:31 PM
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    While I have no problem with people being housewives (a lot of us would love to be one) it does annoy me a little bit when they complain about how much they have to do.

    Who do they think manages the household where both partners are working? Working 'wives' tend to do almost everything they do and hold down a full time job.
    • ska lover
    • By ska lover 12th Aug 18, 2:47 PM
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    I think the term housewife implies making a conscious decision to stay home and look after your husband and bring up your children, instead of going out to purse a career of your own.
    Originally posted by fibonarchie
    I understand your point, however..

    That in itself implies going back to work after children, is a choice...however for many it is not. For some it is not 'going out to pursue a career of their own' - it is the choice between keeping a roof over their kids head..or not.

    It is all dependant on circumstances really
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    • ska lover
    • By ska lover 12th Aug 18, 2:49 PM
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    While I have no problem with people being housewives (a lot of us would love to be one) it does annoy me a little bit when they complain about how much they have to do.

    Who do they think manages the household where both partners are working? Working 'wives' tend to do almost everything they do and hold down a full time job.
    Originally posted by Lrimas
    Absolutely. Most people would prefer to stay at home, and look after their own kids, it is (at least for me) the ideal choice (if my kids were still small)

    I guess everyone is different, a housewife with a couple of teenage kids, would have an entirely different 'working life' to a housewife with three kids under the age of five, for example... I mean for the working, at least we get a break.. if you are looking after small children you don't even get to go to the loo in peace nor have any adult social interaction for long periods.
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    • fibonarchie
    • By fibonarchie 12th Aug 18, 2:51 PM
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    Who do they think manages the household where both partners are working? Working 'wives' tend to do almost everything they do and hold down a full time job.
    Originally posted by Lrimas
    They employ a cleaner, stick the child/ren into childcare and generally hire people to do the jobs that would have been done by the housewife.

    Or they just don't bother doing much housework or cooking and leave the kids to their own devices Something has to give.
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    • ska lover
    • By ska lover 12th Aug 18, 2:57 PM
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    They employ a cleaner, stick the child/ren into childcare and generally hire people to do the jobs that would have been done by the housewife.

    Or they just don't bother doing much housework or cooking and leave the kids to their own devices Something has to give.
    Originally posted by fibonarchie


    Many actually work twice as hard. One job at work, then start again at home...... Cooking / cleaning up after a 12 hour shift and making packed lunches at 11pm.
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    • fibonarchie
    • By fibonarchie 12th Aug 18, 3:09 PM
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    Many actually work twice as hard. One job at work, then start again at home...... Cooking / cleaning up after a 12 hour shift and making packed lunches at 11pm.
    Originally posted by ska lover
    Yes, but is that sustainable? Effectively doing 2 jobs. Is that what the feminist movement wanted for women?
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    • jackieblack
    • By jackieblack 12th Aug 18, 3:27 PM
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    But where would it stop?
    We all, to some greater or lesser degree, employ people to do jobs that we are responsible for, as adults/parents/homeowners, but are unable (lack of skills, ability or time) or unwilling to do ourselves.
    If housewives were paid to mind their children or clean their own house etc, where would it end?
    Would people also expect to be paid to do their own gardening? Clean their own windows? Would people who service their own cars or do their own plumbing jobs expect to get paid for doing so?
    What about dressmaking? Knitting? Washing their own car? Etc etc

    If you choose to have a child, ensuring the child is cared for is the responsibility of the parents. If they are unable or unwilling to do that on a full time basis themselves, they can employ someone else to do so for some of the time on their behalf. That doesn't, IMO, mean that people making a difference choice should be compensated financially for doing so.
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    • ska lover
    • By ska lover 12th Aug 18, 3:31 PM
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    Yes, but is that sustainable? Effectively doing 2 jobs. Is that what the feminist movement wanted for women?
    Originally posted by fibonarchie
    Great question. I would hope that household chores are shared these days, between the couple.

    It is tiring, sure. But people do what they need to do
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    • Tabbytabitha
    • By Tabbytabitha 12th Aug 18, 5:06 PM
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    Many actually work twice as hard. One job at work, then start again at home...... Cooking / cleaning up after a 12 hour shift and making packed lunches at 11pm.
    Originally posted by ska lover
    If they've got a partner - more fool them!
    • ska lover
    • By ska lover 12th Aug 18, 5:14 PM
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    If they've got a partner - more fool them!
    Originally posted by Tabbytabitha
    Oh i agree, as stated in another post that you omitted to quote ( post 15 the one above yours)

    ''I would hope that household chores are shared these days, between the couple.''

    Most women would expect nothing less, and if they put up with it, exactly, more fool them
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    • hazyjo
    • By hazyjo 12th Aug 18, 5:19 PM
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    My other half is a 'house husband'. Would love him to get paid for looking after the house!
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    • By Tabbytabitha 12th Aug 18, 5:23 PM
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    Oh i agree, as stated in another post that you omitted to quote ( post 15 the one above yours)

    ''I would hope that household chores are shared these days, between the couple.''

    Most women would expect nothing less, and if they put up with it, exactly, more fool them
    Originally posted by ska lover
    Lots of people, like me, don't read to the end of the thread before replying but post as they go through.
    • maman
    • By maman 12th Aug 18, 5:36 PM
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    Who exactly is supposed to pay these women for staying at home? I do hope it wouldn't be the taxpayer.


    In my very short career as a 'housewife', I found it an absolute doddle. I could get all the housework done and still have heaps of time left over to be a lady what lunches, goes to coffee mornings or anything else I chose to do. There seem to be masses of groups that children can go along to for music or gymnastics or swimming or just playing while the mums gossip.


    I appreciate that it might be different for those with lots of children or those with additional needs but generally speaking I'd say being a housewife with all the gadgets at our disposal today is a bit of a cop out of earning a living. The sad state of affairs though is that childcare is so expensive these days that it's often not cost effective for parents to work.
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