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    • SailorSam
    • By SailorSam 10th Nov 12, 12:06 AM
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    Police Auctions
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    • 10th Nov 12, 12:06 AM
    Police Auctions 10th Nov 12 at 12:06 AM
    I've just come across this website, it's an auction for the Police. Stolen and lost property, there are some real bargains on their... bikes for £1
    Unfortunately for me they all seem to be down south and if you're the lucky bidder you need to pick it up.
    But if you live in the right area you could bag yourself a bargain.

    http://www.bumblebeeauctions.co.uk/XcAuctionPro.asp

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    You might like to see our Police Auctions guide
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    • shaun from Africa
    • By shaun from Africa 24th Sep 16, 12:19 PM
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    A warning to all.
    You get some real bargains on bumblebee but it is buyer beware, you cannot view the item until you collect it and by then it is too late to complain or get your money back.
    Originally posted by Abbo24

    That was true under the Distance selling regulations as the contract for goods purchased via an online auction was exempted from the right of cancellation and return but there is no such exemption under the Consumer contract regulations.
    Buying from Bumblebee auctions online gives you the same right of return as buying from any other online trader.
    • Acid_clown
    • By Acid_clown 25th Sep 16, 11:51 AM
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    I had a bad experience with bumblebeeauctions, and from what I have read, I am not the only one. The police are actively deceiving people with their auctions, from omitting obvious details, hiding damage in photos, and using misleading descriptions. These practices should be highlighted because as it stands, the police are using their own auction website to commit fraud.

    I discovered bumblebeeauctions via MSE, and I'm shocked that MSE have run an article about it, despite the terrible reviews.
    (See here: moneysavingexpert.com/shopping/police-auctions)
    Jenny Keefe has not highlighted the fact that these police auctions are deceitful in her article, not a very money-saving information guide at all. The only people saving money here are the police, ripping off the general public.
    I feel that a warning should be added to the article to make people aware that while they think they are getting a bargain, they are actually getting a piece of junk which the auctioneer can clearly see is not fit for sale.

    It's not just this forum that people are expressing dissatisfaction, a quick Google search for "bumblebeeauctions reviews" throws up plenty of 1 star reviews.

    I can't find any way to contact MSE directly about this issue, so if someone can help me get this across to them, we can help prevent others from losing money to this criminal racket.
    • RFW
    • By RFW 25th Sep 16, 2:21 PM
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    RFW
    I had a bad experience with bumblebeeauctions, and from what I have read, I am not the only one. The police are actively deceiving people with their auctions, from omitting obvious details, hiding damage in photos, and using misleading descriptions. These practices should be highlighted because as it stands, the police are using their own auction website to commit fraud.

    I discovered bumblebeeauctions via MSE, and I'm shocked that MSE have run an article about it, despite the terrible reviews.
    (See here: moneysavingexpert.com/shopping/police-auctions)
    Jenny Keefe has not highlighted the fact that these police auctions are deceitful in her article, not a very money-saving information guide at all. The only people saving money here are the police, ripping off the general public.
    I feel that a warning should be added to the article to make people aware that while they think they are getting a bargain, they are actually getting a piece of junk which the auctioneer can clearly see is not fit for sale.

    It's not just this forum that people are expressing dissatisfaction, a quick Google search for "bumblebeeauctions reviews" throws up plenty of 1 star reviews.

    I can't find any way to contact MSE directly about this issue, so if someone can help me get this across to them, we can help prevent others from losing money to this criminal racket.
    Originally posted by Acid_clown
    You need to back this up with some facts rather than a general statement, no one at MSE would take the above seriously as it stands. A screen shot of something that would show that there is carelessness/deceit going on. A picture of a pair of jeans described as Levi's with a Primark label on would be an example.

    My guess is that they aren't being deceitful, more that the people who do the listings are careless when listing speedily and no one is checking them.

    Auctions, on and offline are not for everyone. One week you can sell a television for £10 and it's a bargain, the next week you can sell the same TV for £250 and it's a rip off. Usually it's buyers overbidding that cause things to not be a bargain.
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    • Acid_clown
    • By Acid_clown 25th Sep 16, 4:15 PM
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    Have a read of this bunch of reviews for example..
    reviewcentre.com/reviews142664.html

    I bought something from there, the description was "HPI Racing Savage 25. With misc tools, parts and transformers. Used, has not been tested" and then a tiny photo of what appears to be an rc truck in good order with manual filling bottle, and everything you need.

    When I collected it, the manual was like a solid block that had been soaked and dried out, it was unusable, and flaking into bits. All of the paper from the manual was stuck to the accessories, there was rust on all the parts, the engine was seized, the filler bottle was broken, the starter batteries had visibly leaked battery acid. Clearly this had been sat in a lot of water for some time, and they conveniently failed to mention any of this. By simply writing "untested" they have made a get out clause for selling items which there would be no doubt should be listed as "not working" - THAT is what is deceitful. And if you want to put it down to them "being careless when listing items speedily", that is also not a valid excuse. It is unacceptable behaviour for the police of all people to be a part of.

    MSE should not just dismiss people's complaints in the forum, especially when they are supposed to be recommending these sites to us, how are we supposed to trust the advice from MSE if they don't have checks in place and listen to people's feedback?
    • George Michael
    • By George Michael 25th Sep 16, 5:11 PM
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    I bought something from there, the description was "HPI Racing Savage 25. With misc tools, parts and transformers. Used, has not been tested" and then a tiny photo of what appears to be an rc truck in good order with manual filling bottle, and everything you need.
    Originally posted by Acid_clown
    At any auction, whether online or in a face to face auction house, you must always assume that "untested" means that it doesn't work. If it does work then this is a bonus.

    I wouldn't say that the photo used was tiny,
    http://www.bumblebeeauctions.co.uk/XcAPViewItem.asp?ID=168182
    but if you thought it was and that not enough info was given, why did you bid so high?
    • Acid_clown
    • By Acid_clown 25th Sep 16, 6:25 PM
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    One of these cars in running condition would be up to £150 after a quick clean and a tweak to get it going. I don't think I would have bid that much had it stated "water damage" or "parts missing and broken" Both of which would have been perfectly clear whilst carefully laying it all out for the photo.

    My gripe isn't with how much I paid, I have got it running after a few hours of tinkering, but how clearly broken items are being listed as "untested".
    • RFW
    • By RFW 26th Sep 16, 10:48 AM
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    RFW
    My gripe isn't with how much I paid,
    Originally posted by Acid_clown
    So if you'd paid £1 you'd still have the same problem?

    clearly broken items are being listed as "untested".
    Originally posted by Acid_clown
    As said above I'd always consider "untested" to mean broken. The person listing has probably little clue if the item they are listing will fetch £1 or £1000. In a bumblebee type sale it's speed in listing not accuracy that gets the job done. There are possibly some laws being broken depending on how the descriptions are, if you think there is a larger problem then refer to Trading Standards with your own purchase.
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    • patman99
    • By patman99 26th Sep 16, 5:59 PM
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    The Police don't have the time or resources to do fully-worded listings. They simply put what the item is, whether it is tested and working or not and add a photo.

    Here in Essex, the Police just skip everything (except bikes which get donated to charity) as they do not have the time or manpower to actually sell stuff.

    Btw, Bumblebee is run by one man.
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    • RFW
    • By RFW 26th Sep 16, 6:28 PM
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    Btw, Bumblebee is run by one man.
    Originally posted by patman99
    It doesn't surprise me. They used to contract out and ask for tender applications. My guess is that they would have earnt more money the old way but they probably don't have anyone who can see that.
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    • Pound
    • By Pound 21st Jan 17, 10:23 AM
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    Pound
    I went to a proper auction house selling seized and stolen goods on behalf of bailiffs and the police. It was fun to watch but I think it would be hard to pick up a real bargain because lots of people were there thinking that because it was an auction, it meant everything was a bargain but really were driving the price beyond what it would cost to buy things brand new.

    • knightstyle
    • By knightstyle 21st Jan 17, 12:08 PM
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    knightstyle
    There is a weekly auction near me and I often go. Not Police but house clearances, bankrupt stock and a well known seller customer returns.
    Recently I bought two electric chainsaws, £5.50 and £3.30 sold them for £25 the two, one perfect, the other had the trigger jammed off, easy fix.
    I now have 9 LED outside floodlights that cost £8.80, if I get one working for my garden I am in profit, I recon to get at least 4 working to sell.
    As I am retired I have time and enjoy the auction, meeting regulars etc.
    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 21st Jan 17, 3:04 PM
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    My local auction is expensive. Unless its something you want yourself then its hard to see how the buyers could make a profit with them.

    2 of those plastic garden benches/storage boxes sold for more than the sale price at B&Q at that time. The bid price was only slightly less than the B&Q price but then the fees added. The fees are so close to 50% on top thats the figure i use when pricing stuff up.

    So someone paid more and will have to cross their fingers when they unpack it and pray all the parts are there and not broken.
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    • robatwork
    • By robatwork 22nd Jan 17, 9:52 AM
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    Btw, Bumblebee is run by one man.
    Originally posted by patman99
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    • 20kiki
    • By 20kiki 12th Jul 17, 10:49 AM
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    North of the border!
    Why are Scottish people always discriminated against - why isn't their Scottish Police Forces taking part in this? - are they intimating there are NO THEFTS north of the border - or just can't be bothered to get involved?


    QUOTE=SailorSam;57128119]I've just come across this website, it's an auction for the Police. Stolen and lost property, there are some real bargains on their... bikes for £1
    Unfortunately for me they all seem to be down south and if you're the lucky bidder you need to pick it up.
    But if you live in the right area you could bag yourself a bargain.

    http://www.bumblebeeauctions.co.uk/XcAuctionPro.asp

    MoneySavingExpert insert:

    You might like to see our Police Auctions guide[/QUOTE]
    • Huskydays
    • By Huskydays 12th Jul 17, 4:07 PM
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    Why are Scottish people always discriminated against - why isn't their Scottish Police Forces taking part in this? - are they intimating there are NO THEFTS north of the border - or just can't be bothered to get involved?
    Originally posted by 20kiki
    Police Scotland hold a centralised monthly auction selling property from across all the Scottish forces (apart from bikes which are donated to charity). It seems to me a much more efficient system than every individual force making their own arrangements and would explain why they don't use ebay/bumblebee/similar.
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    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 12th Jul 17, 9:41 PM
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    the Bikes start at £1. If its a named one then the price soon jumps.

    Then you think its a £600 bike and got to be worth at least half that and worth travelling 60+ miles to collect.
    So you bid and it goes for £350 a bit more than you wanted to pay, but its a £600 bike right?

    Then you travel the best part of 3 hours (round trip) and find the bikes not in the best of conditions and needs parts and work.

    Not everything is the bargain you think it is.
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    • skintpaul
    • By skintpaul 13th Jul 17, 6:53 PM
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    The local force disposes of a lot of recovered goods, that cannot be traced back to rightful owner.

    afaik, only paypay accepted- possibly cash on collection.. be sure to get postcoded with yOUR details, and keep a receipt!
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    • ballisticbrian
    • By ballisticbrian 13th Jul 17, 7:21 PM
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    Why are Scottish people always discriminated against - why isn't their Scottish Police Forces taking part in this? - are they intimating there are NO THEFTS north of the border - or just can't be bothered to get involved?
    I doubt if many Scottish wallets get lost or stolen. I mean, when would there be an opportunity???
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    • seatbeltnoob
    • By seatbeltnoob 1st May 18, 3:45 PM
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    it's not just the police that are not accurately describing the items to the best of their knowledge. It's the stupid stupid bidders who are aggressively bidding up the auction. Case in point there is an auction now for a macbook. The ad even states RRP £1249. Described as contents not checked (in box). Model: A1534

    Do a search for A1534 on ebay, and you can see the item selling 2nd hand for £800 buy it now (open to offers) With greater specs than the BBA listed one.

    The BBA item is currently on £702. They have no idea if it is working, has a charger. The ad says contents not checked - it could easily have a brick inside. But these fools are bidding like no tomorrow.

    I went on a bidding war not so long ago. It was for a warehouse load of Really useful boxes. They are very expensive to store as they don't stack up - so take up a lot of space. There was several hundred of them, I forgot exactly how much. I did the math and saw that I could flip them for a total of £6000. And if I could get it for £2000 total I could turn a profit.

    Now bear in mind I will need to rent a couple of 20ft shipping containers to store them (not cheap in London). Hire the largest van I can get for a few days and do 3-4 trips to collect them all. Then play people to flyer around London business. It needed to be got for as cheap as possible.

    I calculated that the total revenue is £6000. I needed to buy them all for no more than £2000 to make it worthwhile for me.

    There would be total cost between £1200-£1800 in storage cost depending on how fast I can sell them. (The longer it takes, the longer I have to pay self storage for)

    Well the auction went for something stupid. I got so fed up that I just bid it up to £3000+ and let it go. I was annoyed that the business opportunity was lost to me (after I spent a lot of time planning this, ringing up storage companies, van hire companies) etc.

    Just to !!!! the other buyer off I just bid up the auction to my break even limit and let the winner suffer the consequences.


    Last edited by seatbeltnoob; 01-05-2018 at 3:49 PM.
    • dlusman
    • By dlusman 1st May 18, 3:53 PM
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    Just to !!!! the other buyer off I just bid up the auction to my break even limit and let the winner suffer the consequences.


    Originally posted by seatbeltnoob
    You have NO idea what the other bidders circumstances are. They may already have the warehouse space & van you describe - So getting something worth £6000 for around £3000 may have been a bargain for them
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