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  • whatajoke1
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    • 8th Sep 10, 11:14 AM
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    • 8th Sep 10, 11:14 AM
    You don't need esta for a land crossing.

    You need esta for a sea crossing.
    • louby_lou
    • By louby_lou 8th Sep 10, 2:02 PM
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    • 8th Sep 10, 2:02 PM
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    • 8th Sep 10, 2:02 PM
    Question: I have a valid ESTA which will expire in January 2011. I'm planning on going to the US after this date next year - can I submit a new form now so that I have another 2 years before I have to pay again?

    Will this just invalidate my old ESTA and make the new one current?
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  • Former MSE Natasha
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    • 8th Sep 10, 2:06 PM
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    • 8th Sep 10, 2:06 PM
    Yesterday was the last day to get it free. From today you have to pay the $14 per person charge.

    You can reapply today (paying the fee) and if you're accepted it'll be valid till September 2012 (provided your passport doesn't expire before then). This will automatically cancel your current one and you'll be given a new reference number.


    Question: I have a valid ESTA which will expire in January 2011. I'm planning on going to the US after this date next year - can I submit a new form now so that I have another 2 years before I have to pay again?

    Will this just invalidate my old ESTA and make the new one current?
    Originally posted by louby_lou
    Last edited by Former MSE Natasha; 08-09-2010 at 2:08 PM.
    • louby_lou
    • By louby_lou 8th Sep 10, 2:42 PM
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    • 8th Sep 10, 2:42 PM
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    • 8th Sep 10, 2:42 PM
    Oh no! Oh well that'll teach me! Thanks for letting me know
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  • Mollydog
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    • 8th Sep 10, 10:41 PM
    esta
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    • 8th Sep 10, 10:41 PM
    We recently travelled to US and had filled the esta form out. We still had to complete the green card and we were not asked to show our esta. I think the reason people have stopped travelling to the US is because of there attitude to visitors, it has the most unwelcoming imigration people I have ever come across. They treat everyone as a terrorist and are rude and unfriendly.
    • ferf1223
    • By ferf1223 8th Sep 10, 10:54 PM
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    • 8th Sep 10, 10:54 PM
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    • 8th Sep 10, 10:54 PM
    We recently travelled to US and had filled the esta form out. We still had to complete the green card and we were not asked to show our esta. I think the reason people have stopped travelling to the US is because of there attitude to visitors, it has the most unwelcoming imigration people I have ever come across. They treat everyone as a terrorist and are rude and unfriendly.
    Originally posted by Mollydog
    Again with this...if you read the guide, it's explained...

    http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/esta-usa-visa

    ...Although you donít need to present the reference number at Border Protection when you land on US soil...

    ...Although the ESTA is meant to replace filling in the I-94W piece of paper, this is only being phased out slowly across US airports, so you may find you still have to complete one depending on your arrival airport (currently you do at Newark, but not at LAX)....

    I can understand people being annoyed about any number of things...but not having a printed ESTA accepted (it's an electronic thing...Electronic System for Travel Authorization)...and having to fill out the green form while on a plane, with hours and hours to kill anyway...I just don't get it.
    • dzug1
    • By dzug1 13th Sep 10, 9:09 PM
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    • 13th Sep 10, 9:09 PM
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    • 13th Sep 10, 9:09 PM
    We recently travelled to US and had filled the esta form out. We still had to complete the green card and we were not asked to show our esta. I think the reason people have stopped travelling to the US is because of there attitude to visitors, it has the most unwelcoming imigration people I have ever come across. They treat everyone as a terrorist and are rude and unfriendly.
    Originally posted by Mollydog
    Not my experience. On various visits their attitude has varied from neutral and businesslike to positively friendly and chatty.

    And you can't show an ESTA - it's not a piece of paper, it's an entry in a database. If you showed your passport (and I can't see that you could get away without it) then you DID show your ESTA.
  • mrnaga
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    • 16th Sep 10, 12:13 PM
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    • 16th Sep 10, 12:13 PM
    We recently travelled to US and had filled the esta form out. We still had to complete the green card and we were not asked to show our esta. I think the reason people have stopped travelling to the US is because of there attitude to visitors, it has the most unwelcoming imigration people I have ever come across. They treat everyone as a terrorist and are rude and unfriendly.
    Originally posted by Mollydog
    Have to agree with Mollydog, I'm afraid. My girlfriend and I experienced the most appalling racism, unprofessionalism and rudeness from the immigration people when we travelled to Washington DC.

    She was specially selected to be detained for further questioning for 2 hours in a room full of other wretched tourists. There were no toilet facilities nor water and some of detainees were quite elderly and in some distress. All because the last time my girlfriend left the US, an immigration person had forgotten to take out a slip of paper from her passport. And when the immigration person finally got round to questioning my girlfriend, he indicated to her and said 'brown' - I don't know whether that was because she was Sri Lankan or that she was wearing a brown jacket!

    When I was stuck outside trying to find out what was happening to her, I was told to go away and flippantly told 'sayonara' (I'm Chinese by the way). How ironic with the happy videos playing in the background in the airport of smiling white-teethed Americans saying 'welcome'!

    What a horrible experience. I must say, I'm very reluctant now to take another holiday to the US.
    • jonathon
    • By jonathon 19th Sep 10, 7:59 AM
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    My wife and I flew into JFK in May my first time and had no problem at all with imigration thay were all chatty and freindly and we went through very quicky.
    • dzug1
    • By dzug1 19th Sep 10, 11:05 AM
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    . All because the last time my girlfriend left the US, an immigration person had forgotten to take out a slip of paper from her passport. .
    Originally posted by mrnaga
    That's not the case. You do not see an immigration official when you leave the US. The slip of paper is collected by the AIRLINE as you board the plane. It's them you should be blaming.

    And being picky it's your responsibility to hand it in anyway.
    • ferf1223
    • By ferf1223 19th Sep 10, 11:47 AM
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    And being picky it's your responsibility to hand it in anyway.
    Originally posted by dzug1
    Agree, and it says so on the form.

    Photo here:

    http://www.usvisalawyers.co.uk/article6add1.htm

    Departure Record, second photo (back of the form).

    "...you must surrender it when you leave the US. Failure to do so may delay your entry to the US in the future."

    Thankfully once ESTA is fully up and running the green form goes away and this issue goes away...one of the benefits of ESTA.

    As for the 'brown' comment...as she was wearing a brown jacket, I'm going to go with that as the reason that word was used...not an ideal way to address someone, but not racist. As for sayonara...I know a few Americans who use that in place of 'goodbye' in their day-to-day interactions with people...can I see how that may have been a tad inappropriate for anyone in a work situation? Absolutely...but I wouldn't automatically have thought it racist...though I can see how it might have been taken that way.
  • Agnostic.Atheist
    ESTA & immigration
    As a regular visitor to the US, I can confirm it is rare to find a polite immigration official - they do exist, but good luck! Beware of the ones wearing dark glasses (indoors!). As for the $14 charge for the ESTA application - with $10 profit for encouraging tourism!! - isn't that simply PROFITEERING?? Would it be illegal to record audio while passing through immigration?
    • ferf1223
    • By ferf1223 20th Sep 10, 9:31 PM
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    FWIW, I'm American but have a visa granting indefinate leave to remain in the UK...I've never encountered a particularly friendly UK immigration myself...not in nearly 11 years...but I don't expect immigration officers to be friendly...they aren't working a till at a supermarket, after all...I expect them to be quite serious and perhaps stern..some have been downright scary (and remember, I have a visa)...it's a pretty important job they are doing...so I'm OK with them taking it seriously.

    Do people complain about the costs of advance travel authorisation/visas to visit other countries this much? Are any that do have a fee anything like $14 for 2 years ? I know you Brits don't have to pay $50 for Australia anymore...but I still do...does it occur to me to whine about it? Not so much.
    • Snugglebunny8
    • By Snugglebunny8 22nd Sep 10, 11:12 AM
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    Hi there, sorry if this has already been asked but I couldnt see it. Thanks to you all I completed the ESTA forms for us before the charge deadline. Ive gone in today to retrieve them to add the address where we are staying and the carrier name and flight number. However, I can't find a field anywhere to add the date of travel? seems odd to me that they wouldnt ask for this, but have checked and double checked and cannot see a date of travel field. Is this correct??? I dont want to miss anything off that is required, so would really appreciate your advice, many thanks!
  • whatajoke2
    add the address where we are staying and the carrier name and flight number. However, I can't find a field anywhere to add the date of travel? seems odd to me that they wouldnt ask for this, but have checked and double checked and cannot see a date of travel field. Is this correct??? I dont want to miss anything off that is required, so would really appreciate your advice, many thanks!
    Originally posted by Snugglebunny8
    those fields ar not required anyways. Only things with the red asterik are required. there is no date of travel on the form.
    • Snugglebunny8
    • By Snugglebunny8 22nd Sep 10, 11:21 AM
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    ah thats good, thought I needed a trip to Specsavers!! thank you very much for your reply xx
  • whatajoke2
    reminds me of a story I read where the person hadn't put a number down, just a hotel name.

    CBP said "i need a number",
    traveller said "I don't know the number"
    CBP said "I need a number"
    traveller said "1"
    CBP was happy.
    • Snugglebunny8
    • By Snugglebunny8 22nd Sep 10, 12:02 PM
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    LOL! how daft is that!!!
  • rockie95
    I know this is a stupid question, and I know the ESTA lasts 2 years but are you then allowed to travel into the USA as many times as yu want in that 2 year period, or do you have to reapply every visit.
    Thanks
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