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    • MSE Jenny
    • By MSE Jenny 11th May 09, 12:14 PM
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    MONEY MORAL DILEMMA. Would you give up a 50 train seat for a pregnant woman?
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    • 11th May 09, 12:14 PM
    MONEY MORAL DILEMMA. Would you give up a 50 train seat for a pregnant woman? 11th May 09 at 12:14 PM
    Here's this week's hypothetical situation for you to cogitate on:

    Would you give up a 50 train seat for a pregnant woman?

    You book an advance seat on a five-hour train journey. It’s a Bank Holiday weekend, and there’s standing room only for non-reserved passengers, including a heavily pregnant woman. Normally you'd be up in a flash, but are loathe to give up your seat, as you paid 50 for it and booked early, knowing it would be crowded.

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  • Saucepot
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    • 12th May 09, 4:08 PM
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    • 12th May 09, 4:08 PM
    I'd be in 1st class. I wouldn't notice.
  • Pssst
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    • 12th May 09, 4:45 PM
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    • 12th May 09, 4:45 PM
    No i wouldnt.
    If the woman was up the duff,she should have had the sense to book online,so securing a seat and a seat allocation number. Incidentally,are these enforceable? I mean,if you bought your ticket on line and found someone in your seat who refused to move,what success or otherwise might you have in securing a member of staff to persuade him/her to move?
  • jinky67
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    • 12th May 09, 4:48 PM
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    • 12th May 09, 4:48 PM
    Yes I would....only if I could be sure of getting my seat back when she got off
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    • Tigsteroonie
    • By Tigsteroonie 12th May 09, 4:50 PM
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    • 12th May 09, 4:50 PM
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    • 12th May 09, 4:50 PM
    As a (not yet heavily but still) pregnant woman, I'd like to thank anyone who would give up their seat ... However I would have made sure that I booked a seat for the journey for myself anyway, so hopefully the dilemma will not arise.
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    • scotsbob
    • By scotsbob 12th May 09, 5:45 PM
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    • 12th May 09, 5:45 PM
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    • 12th May 09, 5:45 PM
    Certainly not.

    I wouldn't want to be regarded as sexist and politically incorrect by showing favour.

    Besides, we taxpayers are subsidising her pregnancy with state handouts, I'm not giving up a seat as well.
    • tripled
    • By tripled 12th May 09, 9:37 PM
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    • 12th May 09, 9:37 PM
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    • 12th May 09, 9:37 PM
    It would depend how charitable I was feeling, however if I was in a reserved seat probably not. If I was in a non-reserved seat I probably would.
    • luxor4t
    • By luxor4t 12th May 09, 9:42 PM
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    • 12th May 09, 9:42 PM
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    • 12th May 09, 9:42 PM
    ...,if you bought your ticket on line and found someone in your seat who refused to move,what success or otherwise might you have in securing a member of staff to persuade him/her to move?
    Originally posted by Pssst
    In my experience, the chance of finding a member of staff on a busy bank holiday (other than the buffet attendant) = zero. You hear them making announcements, but can't find them.

    Re the pregnant passenger, it's a 10 supplement to travel in first class on Saturdays & Sundays.
    Being disabled but not qualifying for a disabled railcard, that's where I now travel after nasty experiences with supposedly 'booked' seats & pig-selfish passengers.
    • skylight
    • By skylight 12th May 09, 9:43 PM
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    • 12th May 09, 9:43 PM
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    • 12th May 09, 9:43 PM
    Yes.

    And for a old person or a visibly disabled one (cos I wouldn't know if a non-visibly disabled person got on the train!)


    And I have been knocked on my feet on a bus when heavily pregnant. Not one passenger got up to help me. But I would always help someone else (and do).
    • A.Jones
    • By A.Jones 12th May 09, 10:27 PM
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    No, she should have booked a seat in advance for herself. I would not stand for five hours for her comfort. She would have saved some money too, which she will need soon if she is heavily pregnant.
  • enor
    I would definitely. Just in case the person next to me offered theirs instead and she went into labour!
  • KateHunter
    Yes I would. I think I would feel more uncomfortable watching someone who was heavily pregnant stand, than standing up myself. I dont really think it is an issue of money more of manners.
    • robpw2
    • By robpw2 12th May 09, 10:31 PM
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    No you have paid for your seat she knows she is pregnant she knows to get a seat you have too book !


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    • PeteW
    • By PeteW 12th May 09, 10:34 PM
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    Of course I would, and I'm disgusted that so many people wouldn't, clearly you've never seen how exhausting pregnancy can be - a friend of mine was still commuting when she was heavily pregnant and passed out on a regular basis as tossers on the tube wouldn't give up their seats.

    Crowded trains are dangerous places for pregnant women - a friend of my wife lost her baby at 35 weeks when a busy commuter elbowed her bump trying to rush past her. If people had given up their seat that baby would be alive.
    Last edited by MSE ForumTeam1; 13-05-2009 at 11:54 PM.
    • Lesley Young
    • By Lesley Young 12th May 09, 10:37 PM
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    Yes I would. Humanity is more important than money and some inconvenience. You never know the full circumstances that led to the need to travel.
  • nickinoo
    As a fairly heavily pregnant woman (who doesn't rely on state handouts I might add!) I wouldn't expect someone to give up their seat for me although I wouldn't be offended if I was offered it.

    I don't know what I'd do if I was the person with the seat, a 5 hour journey standing would do my back in even when not pregnant.

    At the end of the day we all have the chance to pre-book our seats.
    • mrcow
    • By mrcow 12th May 09, 10:42 PM
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    Of course I would.

    I'm a human being. Not an inconsiderate oaf!
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  • crunchy_with_ketchup
    It's amazing how many people have apparently never had to travel on a train at short notice and hence not been able to book.... A bit of humanity folks please! Presumably some posters would be equally dismissive of someone who's clearly in serious pain from standing up - what, you didn't think to book? Well the suffering is all your own fault.
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  • Janson
    Incidentally,are these enforceable? I mean,if you bought your ticket on line and found someone in your seat who refused to move,what success or otherwise might you have in securing a member of staff to persuade him/her to move?
    Originally posted by Pssst
    I have found myself in this position. Got on the train, absolutely jam packed, people stood all the way down the carriage, it was clear my seat was taken. I got out of the carriage legged it to the first class carriage and sat in an unreserved seat. When the guard (sorry Revenue Protection Officer) asked for my ticket, I explained that as the train was full to capacity and the train company couldn't keep their side of the contract I was sitting in the next best available alternative. He shrugged his shoulders and clipped the ticket.

    And yes I would give up my seat.
  • ecp98rjs
    I think I'd ask if she would like to sit down for 'a few minutes' and allow her to offer it back to me after a rest.

    But I do agree with other posters that given she knew she was pregnant if she wanted a seat then she could have booked one.
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