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Gladstones LBC , CPM PCN given whilst working
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Read this
https://parking-prankster.blogspot.com/2016/11/residential-parking.html
residents have right. and these tickets usually infringe them,
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Parliament is well aware of the MO of these private parking companies, many of whom are former clampers, and on 15th March 2019 a Bill was enacted to curb the excesses of these shysters. Codes of Practice are being drawn up, an independent appeals service will be set up, and access to the DVLA's date base more rigorously policed, persistent offenders denied access to the DVLA database and unable to operate.
Hopefully life will become impossible for the worst of these scammers, but until this is done you should still complain to your MP, citing the new legislation.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/8/contents/enacted
Just as the clampers were finally closed down, so hopefully will many of these Private Parking Companies[/FONT]
Thank you for your link - this is very interesting because it seems that one of the main points in favour of the RK in this case could be where PP states the following :-
"The Signage - No Offer
If the wording of the signage forbids parking, then there is no offer to park and therefore no contract.
This is clear from several cases. In PCM-UK v Bull et all B4GF26K6 [2016], residents were parking on access roads. The signage forbade parking and so no contract was in place. A trespass had occurred, but that meant only the landowner could claim, not the parking company".
the signs at this car park do not offer any contract at all and so it would seem that the CPM did not act lawfully by issuing the PCN the 1st place -
There are no signs at the entrance and there are about 4 signs dotted around in this very small car park which are all the same
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Here is what may be a silly question but if this does go to court am I able to represent the RK or be there to assist them?
It is me that is doing all the leg work and I will be putting together the paperwork if we get that far .0 -
If this proceeds to a hearing, the Defendant must be present.
The Defendant can have a 'helper' either as a McKenzie Friend or as a Lay Representative.
I'm guessing, but probably you will want to be a Lay Rep.
Look them both up.1 -
If this proceeds to a hearing, the Defendant must be present.
The Defendant can have a 'helper' either as a McKenzie Friend or as a Lay Representative.
I'm guessing, but probably you will want to be a Lay Rep.
Look them both up.0 -
An email has been received from the CPM DPO stating that if the D wants the information by email that more information is needed other than the proof of the V5 doc that was sent .
A draft email has also been put together from all the very helpful suggestions given and I am posting that 1st draft here to see if it is OK or if there is anything missing that needs to be included
All and any comments are most welcome
To Whom it may concern
REF 1xxxxxxx – PCN number xxxxx
I write as the registered keeper of vehicle with vehicle reg xxxxx
Legal and debt advice is being sought and appointments with Citizens advice bureau are going to be made and therefore I would be grateful if you can confirm that a 30 day hold will be put on this matter to give time to arrange the necessary appointments.
Your letter states that if it is believed that if there is a valid reason for non-payment then a reply pursuant to Para 4 of the PAP under Civil Procedure Rules 1998 is able to be made. This email is provided to confirm the valid reasons for non-payment under Para 4 of the above CP rules.
The £60 your client has added for 'indemnity or nominal costs/loss' is a complete lie and is a sum which your client is not entitled to recover and will be vigorously contested in the event of a claim being served for any sum over and above the 'parking charge' . Full costs on the indemnity basis will be sought when the case is won.
As has already been explained to your client, the driver of the vehicle was attending to the lawful business of delivering food to a local resident and as detailed in the attached Jopson v Homeguard it confirms very clearly that your client clearly has no cause of action because Jopson was about unloading in a residential site which is exactly what the driver was doing at the time the PCN was given and the driver was penalised for being one minute over the 10 minute grace period. I encourage you to read the text of this case fully.
The signage at the site forbids parking and therefore there is no offer to park and therefore no contract is possible and as such only the landowner has the lawful right to make a claim. The following cases will be used as evidence in court if your client refuses to cancel the PCN and seeks to make a claim.
1. In PCM-UK v Bull et all B4GF26K6 [2016] where residents were parking on access roads that the signage forbade parking and so no contract was in place. A trespass had occurred, but that meant only the landowner could claim, not the parking company.
2. In UKPC v Masterson B4GF26K6[2016] it was also found the signage was forbidding and so the matter was one of trespass. The parking company therefore did not have standing to claim.
3. In Horizon Parking v Mr J C5GF17X2 [2016] it was also found the signage was forbidding and so the matter was one of trespass. The parking company did not have standing to claim.
It is evident that from the 3 cases above that if a trespass had occurred then only the landowner could make a claim against the driver and your client does not have any standing to claim and as such their authority to operate will be challenged . The Driver will be challenging your client to prove their authority to operate should your client refuse to cancel this PCN
It is clear that your client has no case against the driver and as such it is requested that you advise your clients of the facts and instruct them to cancel this PCN with immediate effect. If your client refuses and pursues legal action, this will be vigorously contested and defended.0 -
Also wondering about whether its necessary to include anything about the signs stating that a permit needs to be obtained but this event happened on an evening and no one was answering the phones as PCM's office was closed and as such it was therefore impossible to obtain any permit
Or is that just unnecessary0 -
and the driver was penalised for being one minute over the 10 minute grace period.
Loading may take longer, and you can't know that this was more than 10 mins, because their clocks/camera phone is just that - no evidence in reality of the true time. PPCs have altered the time in photos before now, so work on the assumption this was less than 10 mins really.An email has been received from the CPM DPO stating that if the D wants the information by email that more information is needed other than the proof of the V5 doc that was sent .PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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Coupon-mad wrote: »I would not say that.
Loading may take longer, and you can't know that this was more than 10 mins, because their clocks/camera phone is just that - no evidence in reality of the true time. PPCs have altered the time i photos before now, so work on the assumption this was less than 10 mins really.
Ho hum, search the forum for driving licence and see why NOT to supply it to scammers.
they do indeed ask for the copy of the driving licence - I haven't researched the driving licence thing but I certainly will take you advice and I will remove the other bit about the one minute
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they do indeed ask for the copy of the driving licence - I haven't researched the driving licence thing but I certainly will take you advice and I will remove the other bit about the one minute
thank you
Drivers licence ????? NEVER TRUST A SCAMMER WITH PERSONAL INFO .... It is not required so don't play games with the brain dead, if they fail, it's straight to the ICO1 -
Do the search, this has been discussed to death. No passport, no driving licence.
Complain to the ICO if they refuse the SAR without this excessive data trawling. They know who you are full well if they are shaping to sue you.PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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