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    • mr1974
    • By mr1974 11th Jun 06, 2:36 AM
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    Drain outside blocked
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    • 11th Jun 06, 2:36 AM
    Drain outside blocked 11th Jun 06 at 2:36 AM
    Hi all,
    We have a strange drain for our kitchen, basically the pipe from the kitchen sink ends up outside in a hole with a only a grate and wood board protecting it. The house is quite old. We call it the "hole".

    Now the "hole" is now blocked. I am surprised this did not block earlier, you can find all sort of things in the "hole" snails, leaves, kitchen waste etc. I am not sure what kind of people I should call to have this fixed (plumber or drain unblocking company such as dynorod) , or if it's a matter for the water provider?

    Am I better off insuring myself against this somehow, and if yes has anyone got any suggestion?

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    • C_Ronaldo
    • By C_Ronaldo 19th Jun 06, 8:56 PM
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    there is 2 inspection chambers nearby(do you mean the manhole type covers), from what we know the pipe goes away from the house and is connected with the pipes from the other houses,
  • whatamess
    My kitchen sink drain blocks on a reqular basis, must be the way it runs.
    My tip would be (which works for my drain) use a mop as a plunger. I now keep a mop head for that specific purpose.
    • Wig
    • By Wig 19th Jun 06, 9:40 PM
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    Btw a dirty drain (kitchen drain) should not go to a soakaway ever if it does you need to get if fixed.

    If it joins to the main sewer as it should, then it should run towards an inspection cover. If not just check the inspection covers that you do have anyway to give you an idea of the direction of the pipes, and while you have them off flush the loo and pour water down various drains to see if the water comes through.

    Then all you can do is prod with the rods until your rod goes through the blockage, move it back and forth to free it up a bit, keep flushing the loos to help the muck go along the drain, (we're assuming the kitchen drain joins the main sewer). Then finally use the disc on the end of the rod, and flush the drain with a bucket or 2 of water.
  • JayZ_Em
    I believe your house needs to be built before 1937 to determine who's responsible for the drains.

    Mine was built approx 1938 :rolleyes: I called the Council to find out the exact year and was told they don't keep a record of when houses were built, only of when they were sold over the years. :confused:
    Originally posted by Van1971
    My parents live in a Victorian house and they managed to get drawings of the building from the local archives of the Borough Council or County's Library archive department. The dates are shown on the drawings.

    If a soak-away is blocked anyone know if using a pressure washer with a dedicated hose for drains actually helps or instead creates a big mess at the drain 'hole' - which has to be pumped away, or scooped into buckets.
  • Ice
    bicarbonate of soda and vinegar.
    when mixed these two react into a cleaning foam.
    use last thing at night.
    on blocked sinks 2 scoops of bicarb and 1 cup of vinegar.
    use larger amounts for larger area's.
    doesn't matter if its normal 20p a bottle brown malt vinegar or the white/clear 60p a bottle white vinegar.

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    • tealady
    • By tealady 21st Dec 08, 8:29 AM
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    Hi It would be worth ringing your local Councils Environmental heath office for advice and to see if they will unblock it free of charge.
    However you really need to find out if it is a drain or a sewer and how old your house is.
    Basically the waste pipes that leave your house are your responsibility until they join with someone elses. These are drains.
    When they join with someone elses then it is a sewer.
    For houses built before Oct 1937 the sewers are the responsibility of your water company.
    For houses built after that date the responsibility for a blockage or break rests with whoever is upstream.
    If you look on the website there is a diagram which explains it more clearly.
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    • angelavdavis
    • By angelavdavis 21st Dec 08, 1:10 PM
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    When you say fat should go in the bin, what kind of fat are we talking about? What about cooking oil?
    Originally posted by mr1974
    I pour my used cooking oil into an old plastic bottle, put the cap on and dispose of it in the bin that way. You can also take it to the tip - they usually have an oil recycling scheme in operation.
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  • Head-Out-Of-Sand
    Just found this thread, thank goodness...I'd tried kettle and plunger-mop to no avail, now have a load of new ideas to try (not particularly looking forward to having my arm down what is a very stinky drain, but more so than I was looking forward to paying Dynorod £3,000,000 to do it for me!)

    Next stop...bin bags!! Wish me luck...
  • evilgoose
    We have an old pop bottle and used cooking oil goes in there, not the drain.
    Any fat from meat etc we put aside in a dish with breadcrumbs etc to make fat cake to feed the birds. Very little solid waste goes down the drain - it'l just block it up.

    Last summer, my next door neighbour had the 'power' drain cleaners in, I checked my inspection chamber a few days later and it was blocked almost to the top with earth, gravel and quite large stones. I suspect that it had been 'pushed' back up the system to my drain as I see no other way stones as big as tennis balls could have ended up down there!
    I started out with a shovel then spent a long time on my stomach with a long pair of rubber gloves cleaning the drain. In the end I had two sacks of muck out of there, I borrowed a friends rods to clean back to the main sewer. It wasn't pleasant, but saved a fortune.
    Last edited by evilgoose; 06-02-2010 at 10:40 PM.
    • sarahowen
    • By sarahowen 9th Jun 10, 7:58 PM
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    Blocked outside drain...

    Was hoping for some tips also - the pipes for our kitchen sink lead outside to a covered drain, similar to one an earlier poster mentioned. I'm presuming it's fat that's congealed there; it looks like slightly grey scrambled eggs?

    I can't lift the drain cover off to get to the underneath - should I just keep tipping hot water down there and hope for the best? Also, should I try and tip water into the drain itself or down the kitchen sink? Oddly, that sink is fine, although the bath isn't draining very well. Have tried bleach, soda crystals and hot water so far and am wishing I was slightly better with stuff around the home...

    Any help would be greatly appreciated
    • sarahowen
    • By sarahowen 9th Jun 10, 8:32 PM
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    Basically, any water I am tipping down there is just not draining away. I have to keep bailing it out. Have no idea what has suddenly happened as all was fine this morning. We moved some plants that had grown up around it - am beginning to think it was all a big mistake...
  • huddylion
    Well thankfully I googled this problem and it suggested this forum which I obviously a member,lot's of great ideas,so off I go to the dirty work LOL
  • ormus
    I had a similar problem outside and just wanted to make a quick suggestion. If you can't borrow drain rods from anyone (optimum money saving) grab a couple of bamboo sticks from your local DIY or garden centre. This will set you back about 35p - although you may need 2-3 for stubborn blockages. They bend nicely and have enough strength to manipulate most blockages.

    Another tip from when mine was blocked up recently, rather than phone up Dyno Rod and pay £150 upward, try and clear as much water as you can. Rubber gloves, bin bag around your arm and dip an old jar down the drain (only works outside) and see if you can regularly clear the excess. In meantime, join something like Homeserve via Quidco (£40 cadhback against a £90 policy). They won't come out to pre-existing problems but if you can 'fool' them by regularly clearing the excess water, you ought to get away with calling them out - although it may mean clearing the excess for up to 3-4 weeks - longer the better - to make sure they think it's a genuinely new situation. Beats a professional drain cleaner hands down!
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    Get some gorm.
  • alex14
    If you need a cheap solution, caustic soda will do. However, if you really want a sure solution for the problem, you truly need to call for a plumbing professional.
    • Icey77
    • By Icey77 29th Jan 13, 6:42 PM
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    My kitchen sink drain blocks on a reqular basis, must be the way it runs.
    My tip would be (which works for my drain) use a mop as a plunger. I now keep a mop head for that specific purpose.
    Originally posted by whatamess
    Thankyou for this tip, it has just saved me £80 to all out a drainage company!!!!!

    The old mop head had missed being thrown out too and now has served one last service and now awaits the bin men in the morning
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    • Mr Ted
    • By Mr Ted 11th Mar 13, 5:38 PM
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    Mr Ted
    A difference between a drain and a gulley has to be determined in most cases like this!
    The Water authority will usually only be responsible for drains, that is usually determined as a sewage or foul water drain, and usually only from the manhole for the property to the main sewers, particularly in older properties.
    Mostly what is discussed on this post is about gulleys, the open drain from the house that connects to the main drain through the manhole chamber and into the sewers system.
    The wastes from the house, sink, bath, washbasins, washing machine, dishwasher in older properties discharge into a gulley.
    The WC connects directly to the drain and into the sewer.
    In modern properties all of the above, MAY, connect directly into the drains.

    Gulleys are usually determined as the responsibility of the occupant, as its they who determine what goes down the wastes and into the gulley that may cause a problem, and as a gulley is open to the atmosphere and has good access.

    So its basically its down to the occupant to be more vigilant as to what goes down, fat and oils should be disposed of via waste collections, (large amounts of cooking oil can be put into old plastic bottles to save a mess?) and excess use of washing powder can be a problem that causes blocked gulleys also!

    If you DONT use vigilance, then its get your hands dirty time, or put em in your pocket, probably!
    • nostrawaggus
    • By nostrawaggus 13th Mar 13, 12:32 PM
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    If your house was built before 1900 then your water board are liable for blocked drains. I found this out a couple of months ago when our drains blocked and I couldn't unblock them no matter what I did. Someone on this site kindly told me all about this strange little loophole.
    Originally posted by moggins
    anyone know any more about this 'loophole'. We constantly have blocked soak away drain issues outside the front and our property was built around 1860.
  • blockedupdrains
    Every drainage problem is different. And unless you are speaking to a professional drainage engineer please dont take advise from idiotic people telling you to place foreign objects into a drain line to clear a blockage. Such as adapted bottles.

    Advise like placing a cut down drinks bottle into a foul drain line is rediculous advise. If any object like this goes through and gets stuck in a line you are going to end up with very expensive problems to remedy. hence the reason you came on here to find a cost effective soloution. THIS IS NOT IT!
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