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  • RikM
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    motorguy wrote: »
    Why should they compromise their religious beliefs?

    Would a muslim bakery be expected to or held up to the same scrutiny if they didnt?

    All just a bit too coincidental that a known gay activist just "happens" to ask a bakery with known strict religious convictions to bake that particular cake.
    Because the law says their personal delusions about what imaginary beings say about sexual orientation (or race, or gender) may not be used as an excuse to deny service? It doesn't really matter what the bigotry is based on.
  • guiriman
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    RikM wrote: »
    Because the law says their personal delusions about what imaginary beings say about sexual orientation (or race, or gender) may not be used as an excuse to deny service? It doesn't really matter what the bigotry is based on.

    And so the argument goes round and round. He says he was denied service because he is gay (protected by law that you cannot do that and rightly so), they say they would have refused to make a cake with that message regardless of who asked for it and the fact he is gay was not a factor (not protected by law as it's not discrimination against him but against the message). Courts so far have gone with the former.
  • donnac2558
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    Terry Pratchett Discworld is flat and sits on the back of 4 elephants who in turn stand on the back of The Great A'Turin the sky turtle. :D Love the books.

    Strangely speaking to a friend last week end she mentioned the Gay Pride Parade last year. They were in town shopping and decided to watch, she thought it fabulous and fun. Anyway a man standing beside them held up a packet of buns from Asher's Bakery and waving it as the parade. A woman on the other side of him told him to stop being a !!!!!:D
  • saverbuyer
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    motorguy wrote: »
    Why should they compromise their religious beliefs?

    Would a muslim bakery be expected to or held up to the same scrutiny if they didnt?

    Yes the Muslim bakery would.

    If they want to protect their religious beliefs it's simple. Don't offer a design service at all. Either offer the service to all or to none.
  • qwert_yuiop
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    donnac2558 wrote: »
    Terry Pratchett Discworld is flat and sits on the back of 4 elephants who in turn stand on the back of The Great A'Turin the sky turtle.

    This is a standard Hindu belief. Feel free to slag the religion of several hundred million

    A woman on the other side of him told him to stop being a !!!!!:D

    I hope she was nailed for her foul mouthed antisocial offensive and insulting behaviour, which you for some reason find laudable.
    “What means that trump?” Timon of Athens by William Shakespeare
  • qwert_yuiop
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    guiriman wrote: »
    And so the argument goes round and round. He says he was denied service because he is gay (protected by law that you cannot do that and rightly so), they say they would have refused to make a cake with that message regardless of who asked for it and the fact he is gay was not a factor (not protected by law as it's not discrimination against him but against the message). Courts so far have gone with the former.

    As previously said, the state does not allow gay marriage. Sue the state, Gareth.

    Well, moneysavers, I see we’re at approx £350,000 spent on this little case.
    “What means that trump?” Timon of Athens by William Shakespeare
  • qwert_yuiop
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    saverbuyer wrote: »
    Yes the Muslim bakery would.

    If they want to protect their religious beliefs it's simple. Don't offer a design service at all. Either offer the service to all or to none.

    So he can think what we allow him to think. Smells like fascism to me.
    “What means that trump?” Timon of Athens by William Shakespeare
  • saverbuyer
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    qwert_yuiop wrote: »
    So he can think what we allow him to think. Smells like fascism to me.

    He can think what he wants. What he can't do is discriminate against a protected characteristic.
  • qwert_yuiop
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    saverbuyer wrote: »
    He can think what he wants. What he can't do is discriminate against a protected characteristic.

    Like gay marriage? Which is not protected, because it doesn’t exist, the state having failed to provide it. Some incongruity there, surely?
    “What means that trump?” Timon of Athens by William Shakespeare
  • donnac2558
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    qwert_yuiop wrote: »
    I hope she was nailed for her foul mouthed antisocial offensive and insulting behaviour, which you for some reason find laudable.


    I was not slagging off any religion just pointing the Discworld books. Terry Pratchett is the best selling writer in the UK for many years. Started writing the Discworld back in the 80s. He was not in any way a stupid man. Knew exactly where the idea came from originally.

    Calling someone a d+i+c+k is not particularly by any standard foul-mouthed. In fact, others standing beside the moron with the buns agreed with the person who told them they were being a !!!!! You turn up at a gay pride parade and start trying to stir it up is more anti-social. An event which has been passed by the parades commission and not forcing you to attend. The said man must have gone and bought the packet of pastry with the intent to look like an idiot.
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