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MCOL phase! Please help!
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guys i'm going to shut it now and start reading all the stickies, defences and build a defence now.
Seriously thanks for all the help so far it has really started to put my mind at ease.
Umkomaas...i apologise for my ignorance and laziness I've just read on the MSE NEWBIES that CCJ won't affect you if you pay it within 30 days. this has really lifted my willingness to fight to the bitter end!
I'll be back when I got my first draft of my defence sorted.0 -
Wirelessoption wrote: »It was my understanding that even if you pay the money you owe in full within a month there would still be some sort of mark on your credit file.
MCOL and the Government gateway generally, is truly awful!
Glad you are now focussed on a decent defence - copy one from someone else (only a recent 2018 one) and adapt it and show us your draft.PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of contracts for alleged parking offences, aided and abetted by a handful of low-rent solicitors.
Parking Eye, CPM, Smart, and another company have already been named and shamed, as has Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (these two law firms take hundreds of these cases to court each year). They lose most of them, and have been reported to the regulatory authority by an M.P. for unprofessional conduct
Hospital car parks and residential complex tickets have been especially mentioned.
The problem has become so rampant that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers. Watch the video of the Second Reading in the HofC recently.
http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41
and complain in the most robust terms to your MP. With a fair wind they will be out of business by Christmas.You never know how far you can go until you go too far.0 -
Hi guys,
just got done with my first draft of my defence, can you please have a read and tell me what you think?
Claim Number:********
BETWEEN:
Vehicle Control Services Ltd Claimant
vs
********* ****** Defendant
________________________________________________________________________________
Defence
I am ******** of *********, *******, defendant in this matter.
The claim is denied in its entirety except where explicitly admitted here. I assert that I am not liable to the Claimant for the sum claimed, or any amount at all, for the following reasons, any one of which is fatal to the Claimant's case.
1.Reason for Claim
2.There is no Contract
3.The particulars of Claim
4.Evidence of no co-operation and reason for stopping
5.The Claimant has no standing to bring a case
1 Reason for claim
1a.The claimant has not provided enough details in the particulars of claim to file a full defence. In particular, the full details of the contract which it is alleged was broken have never been provided.
1b. I therefore request the court to strike out the claim using their court management powers, for disclosing no cause of action or for the court to order further & better particulars of claim and leave for the defendant to amend their defence.
2. There is no contract
2a. If the signage did offer a contract, the font size is too small and the words too many to be safely read while driving. They can therefore only be read while stopped and the normal time allowed in these situations is 5-10 minutes in car parks to allow for a genuine meeting of minds and for the driver to understand and comprehend!any potential contract. There can therefore be no contract entered into by consideration.
2b. Even if a contract was entered into by consideration, the signage does not contain the information required by the Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation And Additional Charges) Regulations 2013, enacted 13 June 2014. As per clause 13(1), without this information any contract is not binding on the consumer
2c. Even if the contract was binding, the charge is a penalty and an unfair consumer charge. ParkingEye v Beavis is the leading authority on this. The judgment makes it clear that if the charge is not to be a penalty/unfair consumer charge, the driver must have ample time to be able to read and digest the contractual terms so that they can fairly agree to the terms. As this has not happened the charge is not saved from being a penalty/unfair consumer charge, and unless VCS have incurred costs of £100, the charge is excessive.
3. The Particulars of Claim
3. The particulars fail to comply with Civil Procedure Rule 16.4 and Practice Direction 16, paragraphs 7.3 !!!8211; 7.5, as the contract is not disclosed and no information on an agreement by conduct is provided.
4.Evidence of no co-operation and reason for stopping
The defendant has evidence that the claimant has not co operated with the defendant by :
4a. Not sending any information about the claim when the defendant requested it. For the record, the only letter the defendant ever received was The Letter Before Claim.
4b. Not posting !!!8220;the particulars of claim and the court claim forms!!!8221; to the correct address, despite the defendant sending his correct postal address. It was seem as an act of deception.
4c.The defendant also has evidence from BMW stating that the vehicle in question has been recalled for power supply issued. Which evidentially cause the vehicle to stop on the night of which the claim originated. The driver had no control over the vehicle!!!8217;s malfunction and the cause of the vehicle to come to a complete stop.
5. The Claimant has no standing to bring a case
5a. The claim form states that the land is managed by Vehicle Control Services Limited. They are therefore acting as agents of the landowner.
5b. The Claimants has not provided copies of the alleged contract in the letter before claim or particulars of claim. However it is believe the signage contains further clauses which show that the Claimant is acting as an agent of the landowner, not the principal, which are identical or similar to the following; Vehicle Control Services is authorised by the landowner to operate this private property on its behalf and Parking is at the absolute discretion of the Landowner.
5c. Any consideration to the motorist of a grant of parking space flows from the landowner; the signage is believed to have a clause identical to or similar to, Parking is at the absolute discretion of the Landowner. There is no consideration from the motorist as parking is free.
5d. Although each case turns on its own facts, in all cases where Vehicle Control Servicess contract with the landowner has been fully disclosed, the charge for breach of contract is collected by Vehicle Control Services on behalf of the landowner. This is usually disclosed in paragraph 3.11. This further confirms Vehicle Control Services act as agent for the landowner.
5e. Vehicle Control Services provide the landowner with a web interface where they can check parking charges issued and paid. This is usually disclosed in paragraph 8 of their contract with the landowner. It is further disclosed on their web site. Thus, Vehicle
Control Services is acting as an agent of the landowner.
5f. If Vehicle Control Services deny acting as an agent then they are put to strict proof by disclosing the appropriate parts of their contact (usually clauses 3.11 and 8) with the landowner.
5g. Fairlie v Fenton establishes the situation regarding agency.
5h. If the agent is acting on behalf of an undisclosed principal, they can sue and be sue.
5i. If the agent is acting on behalf of a named principal, they cannot sue.
5j. If the agent is acting on behalf of a principal whose name is not disclosed, then they can only sue if they assume the risk; in other words, if they can be sued if they fail to uphold their part of the bargain.
5k. This case is clearly (c). The signage states Vehicle Control Services are acting on behalf of the landowner, but does not state who the landowner is. The small print in the signage has a clause similar to Vehicle Control Services do not assume the risk if problems occur; in these cases it is the landowner who would be liable. We are not responsible for the car park surface, other motor vehicles, damage or loss to or from motor vehicles or general site safely.
5l. Vehicle Control Services therefore have no standing to bring this case. Only the landowner has the right to do this.
5m. In ParkingEye v Beavis, clauses 3.11 and 8 were redacted from the contract given to the judges. Therefore any judgment would not have been able to take these clauses into account.
I believe the facts contained in this Defence Statement are true.
*Signed*
*Date*
I was thinking about adding "the consumer contract" bit in there but didn't understand it much, is it worth adding for my case?
also the "particulars to claim" bit, is there any other things I can cite to make it more "beefy"?
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Hi
Any takers on the defence? Is it worth sending ?0 -
Claim Number:********
BETWEEN:Vehicle Control Services LtdClaimantvs********* ******DefendantDefence
1. It is admitted that the Defendant was the driver on the material date.
2. The Defendant denies entering into any contract with the Claimant. In the alternative, if any such contract was entered into it is denied that the driver breached its terms.
2.1. The claim is denied in its entirety except where explicitly admitted here. The Defendant asserts that they have no liability to the Claimant for the sum claimed, or any amount at all.
No agreement/breach of terms and no contract (alternatively, frustration of contract)
3. The Defendant's clear personal recollection of that night confirms that there was no 'parking event', and neither was there any agreed parking contract. If the Court is minded to consider that there was, then any contract was frustrated and outside of the control of the Defendant, because:
3.1. the Defendant was driving into Robin Hood Airport Doncaster, when suddenly and alarmingly, the car (BMW 3 series) experienced power loss and and the driver had no choice but to pull over immediately, for safety and to avoid blocking an airport approach road. The Defendant steered the vehicle out of the middle of the road and it came to a stop, temporarily, for reasons outside of the Defendant's control.
3.2. this happened during night hours and there was no possibility of the Defendant seeing any signage terms in the dark whatsoever. Nor could the Defendant be expected to leave the car to read and agree any terms, because the Defendant was not in a position to seek out such terms and had no intention of stopping. The Defendant moved the car as soon as it was possible to do so.
3.3. whilst the Defendant was trying to start the car, the driver of the mobile CCTV van used by this Claimant made no attempt to offer help or enquire as to the difficulty, but instead, trained the CCTV camera on the car to take misleading photographs in those few minutes, unbeknown to the Defendant.
3.4. As such, the elements of a contract were absent. No consideration flowed between the parties; there was no acceptance of any terms by performance or express or implied agreement and the Defendant was given no opportunity to read any terms under the specific emergency breakdown circumstances.
3.5. Even if the Defendant had been given the opportunity to read and accept terms, the unlit signs at this location are hidden by other, far larger and more prominent 'welcome' and directional signs/flags/banners just off a busy roundabout.
3.6. Even if the signage did offer a licence to park at a price (rather than simply saying 'No Stopping' which would be forbidding wording which cannot also be painted as offering any contractual licence), it is averred that the signs at this location are obscured by large banner 'flags' and the font size is too small and the words too many to be safely read while driving from a roundabout in traffic in the dark. It is an ironic fact that the only way any alleged 'no stopping' signs could be read, would be to stop.
3.7. Even if the Claimant shows the court that the terms on any signs were legible at night, any contract was frustrated. This is a fact that the claimant would have known about, had their watching CCTV van driver mitigated any loss and approached the broken down car to offer assistance, rather than lurking in the shadows and taking photographs with the intent of penalising a stricken and distressed driver who was clearly trying to re-start the car.
3.8. The car was recalled later for an issue with that model for the 'positive battery cable becoming damaged and impairing the power supply of the vehicle' according to BMW. The Defendant traded the problem car in, rather than submit it for the recall, but can adduce evidence from BMW regarding this known fault/recall.
3.9. The Defendant would expect the Claimant's own CCTV van operator to attend the hearing in person and provide a witness statement to explain why instant penalties continue to be issued regardless of the van operator seeing for themselves any mitigating circumstances, and to explain whether that is due to VCS blanket policy to 'fine at all costs' or whether a personal decision was made to ignore the plight of the Defendant and take pecuniary advantage.
CPR breach - old address used and no Particulars of Claim
4. The Defendant received no parking charge notice (PCN), either on the day nor in the post and had no idea about any alleged contravention, penalty or 'parking charge', however it might have been described.
4.1. If a 'PCN' was posted - and the Claimant is put to strict proof of posting - it went to an old address and having received no appeal or communication, no attempt was made by this Claimant to trace the Defendant's current address.
4.2. The Defendant has no idea what terms appear to have been breached, and has received no information despite requesting 'further and better particulars' upon receiving a Letter before Claim out of the blue (sent to the old address but fortunately this letter was passed to the Defendant).
4.3. The Defendant specifically emailed to provide the Claimant with the current postal address, in March, but received no reply to the request for 'further and better particulars' and the Defendant's new address notification was clearly ignored because the Claim form was still served to the old address.
4.4. The Claim also failed to provide the reason for the claim, or any detail of the terms breached and failed to disclose any cause of action that could give rise to any claim in law. The Particulars of Claim are sparse and so devoid of detail that the Defendant has had to cover any number of possible defence issues at this point, for fear of typical parking operator 'ambush' with photos and information about the contract finally being divulged at or just before the hearing.
4.5. The Defendant therefore requests the court to strike out the claim using their court management powers, or in the alternative, to order further and better particulars of claim, and leave for the Defendant to amend their defence accordingly.
ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis[2015] UKSC 67 is distinguished
5. This predatory 'charge' is a penalty and an unfair consumer term, given the circumstances and facts of this case. ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 (the Beavis case) is the leading authority and the Supreme Court judgment makes it clear that charges cannot exist merely to penalise a driver.
5.1. It was stated that the penalty rule was 'engaged' in all private parking ticket cases and that what would be required in every case, would be to consider all of the facts to decide whether a specific charge is unconscionable, excessive or unjustified.
5.2. The Beavis case was said at the Court of Appeal stage to be 'completely different' and the Supreme Court agreed, uniquely disengaging the penalty rule after considering the rare facts at that retail park, the parking licence terms offered and the clarity and prominence of simply worded, large font and plentiful signs. In Beavis, there was a meeting of minds; a licence to park was offered and accepted by Mr Beavis by performance (the act of parking in a well-signed location where the retail parking spaces had value) and this saved the £85 charge in that unique case alone, from being struck out as an unenforceable penalty.
Trespass is a matter for a landowner only - the Claimant has no locus
6. Due to the lack of Particulars of Claim, it is difficult for the Defendant to understand the cause of action, given that the Claimant does not own the land in question.
6.1. If it is the Claimant's case that the area is intended as a 'no stopping zone' then they cannot also offer parking at a price, if the landowner (Airport) in fact intends to prohibit stopping. If cars are never authorised to stop under any circumstances, then any breach would be a matter that falls firmly under the tort of trespass.
6.2. In the Beavis case it was reiterated that only a landowner can sue for damages/loss for alleged trespass, and ParkingEye could not have recovered monies for unauthorised parking/trespass. It was only because they were able to offer something of value (a parking space) and that the charge was part of that contractual licence, that ParkingEye could charge more than any nominal loss that a landowner could have recovered under tort.
6.3. If it is the Claimant's case that they were offering a parking licence or a space that had value, then they have produced no evidence to this effect and will be in difficulty if (as suspected) the signage in fact attempts to create a 'no stopping zone'. This would void any credible legal argument relying upon a 'legitimate interest' supporting the intentions of the landowner, because in a 'no-stopping zone' the landowner intends 'no stopping at all' on the one hand, and any driver conduct in breach of that rule could not on the other hand be allowed by a private company offering the prohibited behaviour under a pseudo contract.
6.4. It is believed that the contract this Claimant has with the Airport limits the parking firm to act as agent of the Airport who remain the (known) principal, in which case only the Airport can sue, not the agent in their own name.
6.5. The Claimant is put to strict proof of their locus and cause and right of action in their own name, and to disclose the unredacted contract with the Airport, before any hearing.
Airport approach roads are subject to road traffic enactments (public highway)
7. Even if the Claimant is able to overcome the difficulties they face in showing that:
(a) they have locus to sue in their own name regarding this location, and that
(b) they offered a parking space with value, and a licence to park there, and that
(c) the Defendant was afforded the opportunity to accept contractual terms and that
(d) these terms were prominently displayed and well lit, and that
(e) this charge (described by the Airport as a 'fine') is somehow saved from the penalty rule, and
(f) the driver was in breach, despite the stopping of the car being out of the driver's control,
the Claimant is also put to strict proof that:
(g) this access road is not part of the public highway. A 'public highway' is any road maintained by public expense where the public would normally have a right to drive a mechanically propelled vehicle. It is averred that the Airport approach road is public highway and the Claimant is put to strict proof to the contrary.
7.1. The road comes off a roundabout and is not clearly demarcated as private land, nor is it a private car park and thus, any parking/traffic contraventions would be a matter for the local authority. Such roads are subject to the rules of the Road Traffic Act and statutory instrument and any 'PCN' must be a proper penalty charge notice issued under the Traffic Management Act 2004.
7.2. The claimant is put to strict proof that this approach road is a part of 'the Airport' site where road traffic enactments do not apply.
Alternative defence - excessive and disproportionate blanket use of CCTV 24/7 regardless of circumstances (contrary to the CCTV rules issued by the ICO)
8. This Claimant uses CCTV camera systems (365 days a year, 24 hours a day, seven days a week) and processes personal data excessively and disproportionately, and thus fails to comply with the Information Commissioner's 'Data Protection Code of Practice for Surveillance Cameras and Personal Information' ('the ICO Code').
8.1. The ICO Code applies to all CCTV systems, and states that the private sector is required to follow it, in order to meet its legal obligations as a data processor. Members of the International Parking Community ('IPC') trade body are required to comply fully with the Data Protection Act ('DPA') and all ICO rules and guidelines, as a pre-requisite of being able to use the DVLA KADOE system to harvest VRN data, including the addresses of registers keepers.
8.2. Whilst CCTV has its uses to keep Airport approach roads clear - to stop drivers from choosing to park and leaving their vehicles or using the roads as a drop-off point, for example - this must be with reasonable and proportionate application, with sufficient checks and balances being an ICO Code requirement when operating such a data-intrusive regime.
8.3. The Claimant's failures to comply include, but are not limited to the following, and the Claimant is put to strict proof otherwise on all counts:
i) Lack of an initial Surveillance Camera privacy impact assessment, and
ii) Lack of an evaluation of proportionality and necessity, considering concepts that would impact upon fairness under the first data protection principle, and
iii) Failure to regularly evaluate whether it is necessary and proportionate use CCTV to issue penalties in all cases, applying no human intervention or common sense approach (e.g. having no checks and balances to exclude from the 'immediate penalty' approach, cases where the van driver/CCTV operator would have seen and heard that the driver was merely asking for directions or was clearly taken ill, or was trying to re-start a broken down vehicle as in this case), and
iv) Failure to prominently inform a driver in large lettering on clear signage, of the 'commercial intent' and purpose of the hidden van CCTV system and how the data captured would be used, and
v) Lack of the 'Privacy Notice' required to deliver mandatory information about an individual's right of subject access. At no point has the Defendant been advised how to apply for, and what a data subject's rights are, to obtain all images and data held via a Subject Access Request from the Claimant and indeed the Defendant has been furnished with no images, information about the terms or the alleged breach, or any data at all, despite sending a letter requesting detailed particulars in March.
9. This Claimant has therefore failed to meet its legal obligations and has breached principle 1 (at least) of the DPA, as well as the IPC and the ICO Codes of Practice.
Illegal conduct and 'unfairness' breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015
10. In a similar instance of excessive and inappropriate use of ANPR surveillance cameras 24/7 (confirmed on the rival Trade Body (BPA) website, in a 2013 article urging its members to comply) Hertfordshire Constabulary was issued with an enforcement notice by the ICO. The force were ordered to stop processing people's information via surveillance cameras until they could comply. The ICO ruled that the collection of the information by constant streaming of data from cameras was excessive and illegal; breaching principle 1 of the DPA.
11. The Court's attention will be drawn to the case of Andre Agassi v S Robinson (HM Inspector of Taxes). Whilst not wholly aligned to the issues in this case, it is on all fours with the above point, because of the principle it extols that no one should profit from their unlawful conduct. Paragraph 20 of the Transcript of that case states: ''It is common ground that, whatever costs may be recoverable by a litigant in respect of professional services such as those provided by Tenon to the appellant, they cannot include the cost of any activities which are unlawful''. Paragraph 28 continues - ''...cannot on any view recover the cost of activities performed by Tenon which it was not lawful for them to perform.''
11.1. Further, in RTA (Business Consultants) Limited v Bracewell [2015] EWHC 630 (QB) (12 March 2015), at paragraph 34 the Judge discusses the relevance of the public law principle going back well over 200 years, that no man should profit from his crime; it is submitted that this is particularly relevant in this action. The Judge cited Lord Mansfield CJ to explain that: ''The principle of public policy is this; ex dolo malo non oritur actio. No Court will lend its aid to a man who founds his cause of action upon an immoral or an illegal act. If [...] the cause of action appears to arise ex turpi causa, or the transgression of a positive law of this country, there the Court says he has no right to be assisted. It is upon that ground the Court goes; not for the sake of the defendant, but because they will not lend their aid to such a plaintiff.''
12. Even if there was a purported contract between the Claimant and the Defendant, the part that relies upon excessive data streaming of CCTV images for automatic instant penalties, regardless of circumstances (the CCTV van operator would have been close enough to have seen and heard the obviously broken own car that the Defendant was frantically trying to re-start), was illegal at its formation because it was incapable of being created without an illegal act.
12.1. Where a contract is illegal when formed, neither party will acquire rights under that contract, regardless of whether or not there was an intention to break the law; the contract will be void and treated as if it had never been entered into. As such, the asserted contract cannot be enforced.
12.2. To add weight, the Defendant also cites from ParkingEye Ltd v Somerfield Stores Ltd [2012] EWCA Civ 1338. Whilst the facts of that case differ, due to the arguments between the two commercial parties, the Judge's comments at paragraph 29 of the Transcript of Somerfield are of importance, where he discussed ParkingEye's misleading letters to consumers: ''At common law, historically, a distinction has been drawn between cases where the guilty party intended from the time of entering the contract unlawfully and cases where the intention to perform unlawfully was only made subsequently''. Laws LJ, in Somerfield, concluded that ParkingEye did not set out to deceive consumers before they signed the contract with Somerfield, so the contract was upheld in that case.
12.2.1. Differently in this case, it is asserted that the Claimant did deliberately or negligently break the DPA by setting out to issue instant predatory penalties, regardless of circumstances. Being an IPC member with access to a wealth of ICO and DVLA-led data compliance information, relevant articles, compliance events and specific parking & legal advice for members, it cannot justify nor plead ignorance to excuse their conduct in failing to meet their legal obligations both before enforcement and by way of regular evaluations to avoid 'excessive' and 'unjustified' use of CCTV leading to just this sort of unfair charge.
12.2.2. At paragraphs 65-74 of the Somerfield transcript, Laws LJ set out three factors which need to be considered in a defence of illegality. The Defendant submits that the key issues in this action are that:
(i) the commission of an illegal wrong - excessive CCTV operation and data processing contrary to the ICO Code - being present at the time of the alleged contract, means that the Claimant will not be able to enforce that alleged contract.
(ii) the illegality around the excessive and unjustified constant use of CCTV to issue penalties regardless of mitigating facts, is central to the contract and is not merely a minor aspect, thus it should not be held to be too remote so as to render the contract enforceable.
(iii) the nature of the illegality: in this case it was a breach of legal obligations regarding data, and not merely a civil tort as in Somerfield. The gravity of the illegality is therefore far greater.
13. The Defendant avers that a breach of the DPA and failure to comply with ICO rules regarding data captured by CCTV, also transgresses the tests of fairness and transparency of consumer contracts, as set out in the Consumer Rights Act 2015 (enacted after the final hearing in Beavis and not considered in that case).
13.1. In any case involving a consumer contract, Courts must evaluate and apply a test of fairness, whether the Defendant raises the issue or not, and transparency of terms must also be considered carefully in every case.
13.2. It is averred that this Claimant at this location, fails on both counts and therefore the charge is unjustified and just the sort of 'unconscionable' parking charge that the Supreme Court had in mind when retaining the 'penalty rule' for use in cases such as this, where the facts are less complex than in Beavis.
13.3. Further, the IPC Code of Practice specifically prohibits 'predatory tactics', therefore this Claimant is operating in breach of the effectively 'regulatory framework' of their trade body code that the Supreme Court in Beavis found was a pre-requisite of a transparent and lawful operation.
Added costs have not been incurred - attempt at double recovery
14. In addition to the original parking charge, for which liability is denied, the Claimants have artificially inflated the value of the Claim by adding purported costs which the Defendant submits have never actually been incurred.
15. The added costs are in fact artificially invented figures, which represent a cynical attempt to circumvent the Small Claims costs rules and achieve double recovery. In Beavis, only the parking charge itself (£85) was pursued and the 'charge' was scrutinised by the Supreme Court and held to mainly represent a significant sum in profit; being a pre-set, deliberately high deterrent 'charge'. This was already significantly over and above the very minimal costs of operating an automated ticketing regime and no damages/loss/debt collection costs could have been claimed on top, because none existed.
15.1. Similarly, in Somerfield a £75 parking charge for a valuable retail parking space was not a penalty, but a sum mentioned in the harassing letters of double that amount, almost certainly would be.
16. The defendant denies the claim in its entirety voiding any liability to the claimant for all amounts claimed due to the aforementioned reasons. The Court is invited to dismiss the Claim, and to allow such Defendant's costs as are permissible under Civil Procedure Rule 27.14.
I believe the facts contained in this Defence Statement are true.
*Signed*
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MANY THANKS COUPON! but unfortunately I had to send in my defence
yours was much better by miles. Im hoping I could still use some of your info to aid in my evidence when its time for hearing.
I've just printed out 2 copies of the DQ and im going to send them to the court and claimant now.
any advice on what to do not besides start gathering my evidence and prepare for battle?0 -
At least save yourself a few pennies.
Send the court copy of your DQ by email to the same address you sent your Defence.0 -
thanks Keith ill do that :beer:0
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It's useful anyway to have a VCS Airport 'no stopping' defence around, to be used/adapted again.
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