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Electric shower v using combi boiler hot water - most efficient way to set it up?

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  • BooJewels
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    My water temperature is set at 45C not 50C as said previously. Any lower and the shower temperature was not high enough. Personally I  think heating to a higher temperatures uses more energy , even though it might be a shorter time 
    Thanks - 45°C makes sense if you can shower without needing to add cold water.  

    @markin - I did some flow tests and the cold water appears to be around 20 litres per minute, which I understand is pretty good.  The downstairs hot water seems to be about 15 litres a minute when I first switch it on, then it increases a bit once hot and it's got going.  If I add a bit of cold running too, the flow rate of the hot reduces a bit, as you'd expect.  So maybe keeping the boiler a bit hotter, as it is, with a bit of cold added to taste, would be much the same in terms of flow rate, as hot on its own at a lower temp.

    Upstairs, from the hot bath tap, the flow rate seems to be more like 11 or 12 litres per minute - which is seemingly still in the acceptable range.
  • BooJewels
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    I ended up posting about this on another thread and forgot to update this one.

    I've now got my bath tap hose and after a bit of fiddling, found the best spot to fix the head to the wall with a suction bracket that I already had, so I showered using the combi boiler this morning.  It used 0.271m3 = 3.06kWh, costing 22p.  Not quite the saving I was hoping for.  I reckon that my usual 8 minute 9kW electric shower costs around 34p (9kW / 60 x 8 = 1.2kWh = 34p).  I estimate that it used about 20-25% more water - but I didn't have the taps at full pelt.  I kept the boiler water temp at 55°C and used a little cold too - I'll lower the boiler temp tomorrow and try just using hot, for comparison.

    So it would take a very long time at 12p saving per day to recoup any installation expenditure.  There was a phenomena I wasn't wholly expecting.  I'm also monitoring my electric use after making other changes and this morning, I'd used a chunk more electricity than I was expecting, so I don't know if this is in part due to switching the electric shower on in case of mishaps, or more likely, that the water pump in the boiler uses more electricity than I'd expected to get the water to the taps.  The extra today certainly negated any saving I made in the water heating aspect of the shower.

    I'll try some more tests to ascertain more accurate numbers - my method was a bit haphazard this morning as I futzed with water temp, shower head position etc.
  • northernsoul
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    Why have my spreadsheets been deleted. Is it against the rules ?
  • BooJewels
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    Why have my spreadsheets been deleted. Is it against the rules ?
    I have no idea - I don't recall seeing any 'spreadsheets' in this thread.  In your first reply to me you posted the costs of the various lengths of showers you'd tested - and those are still there.  I can't identify anything that appears to be missing from the thread.
  • markin
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    edited 7 April 2022 at 4:33PM
    Do you use a timer to always get a 8min showers?
    Why have my spreadsheets been deleted. Is it against the rules ?

    Probably auto deleted by the forum software, where did you host them?
  • BooJewels
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    No, life's too short to time such things.  I'd just been watching the clock recently to get an average for the purposes of doing some sums.   I've changed my methodology a little to try and cut down on the time I use running water.

    Hence I said I was a bit haphazard this morning, as I forgot to look at the time.
  • macman
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    What is the estimated cost of the necessary plumbing work required? If we assume that the saving on a 8 minute shower is indeed 25p, then you'll save about £90pa on a daily 'gas' shower.
    My plumber charges around £90 per hour, so assuming half a day to do the install, plus the cost of the new shower itself, you could take 5 years or more to recoup the investment-and over that period my hunch is that the unit cost differential between electricity and gas will decrease, with gas rising more, as it'll be increasingly sourced outside the UK, and more renewable generation of electricity here.
    You'd probably save far more per year just by turning your CH programmer down by 1C.

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  • BooJewels
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    That's pretty much my conclusion now @macman - I don't know if you've just read the OP and replied, but if you see my post from this morning earlier up this page, I did meter readings today using my bath tap hose and my very quick and dirty assessment is that it isn't likely to be the saving that I was hoping that it might be.  The boiler used more energy than I'd stabbed a guess at and the resulting cost was 22p for the same sort of shower - just for the heating of the water using gas. 

    My testing method was a bit flawed today, so I'd need to do a few more to get better data, but it also looked like it used more electricity too - presumably for the pump supplying the water.  My numbers today suggest that it's pretty much break even - not quite the 'ditch electric showers' mantra often posted here for people wanting to reduce electricity bills.  Maybe it works out cheaper if using a water tank and not a combi boiler?

    It wouldn't just be about saving the pennies on each shower, but comfort and style too. I want to get my bathroom re-worked at some point and this is something I'd include in those plans.  Although there is also a good argument to be made for having a different source for the shower water - I've been without a working boiler often enough to be glad that I could at least get a hot shower and use it to provide warm washing water in the bathroom.

    I do at least now have my tap hose to give me the option, even if I now decide against a more permanently plumbed solution.  I've already saved some pennies by putting the plug in the bath and showering for less time and using the standing water for some of my in-shower tasks.

  • QrizB
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    BooJewels said:
    My numbers today suggest that it's pretty much break even - not quite the 'ditch electric showers' mantra often posted here for people wanting to reduce electricity bills.
    There are some rough calculations here; saving a notional 7p/shower isn't going to make a huge dent in anyone's bill.
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  • northernsoul
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    markin said:
    Do you use a timer to always get a 8min showers?
    Why have my spreadsheets been deleted. Is it against the rules ?

    Probably auto deleted by the forum software, where did you host them?
    I use a timer up to 6 minutes.
    My spreadsheets were a screenshot of my online excel spreadsheets. Do not know how to copy a file from online excel (probably would have been worse doing this though - more personal information)
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