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Get ISA now or wait for better rates?
ioscorpio
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Is it best to invest £3000 now into a new ISA and transfer £6000 from M & S ISA 5.25% or wait and see if any better rates are announced in the next few weeks
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Into what? IMHO the M&S rate is good, OK closed to new customers but existing can deposit 05/06 allowance £3k i think?
Be careful lots of cash isa`s with a slightly higher headline rate have future exit/transfer fees & you loose some days int in transit0 -
I agree. M&S rate is good for now. Put your money in there and wait to see what happens. If you find a better rate, move it later. Don't dilly-dally. Put your £3000 in an ISA now!0
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iomexico wrote:Is it best to get invest £3000 now into a new ISA and transfer £6000 from M & S ISA 5.25% or wait and see if any better rates are announced in the next few weeks
The decision depends on two variables - one, the rate of the ISA that might come up in future, and how many days later it is going to come. Since one has to anchor one of these variables to make a decision, let us assume that the higher rate is, say 5.75%, forty basis points higher than the Abbey postal ISA, which is a fair best-buy to begin our assessment with.
If I choose to keep this year's allowance in a high interest account, pending the new ISA coming in, assuming the new ISA will come in x days from now, the interest I lose by not putting it directly into an Abbey postal Isa and putting it instead, into A&L's online saver is:
3000*(5.35-4.28)*x
36500
If I put it into the Abbey ISA today, and then transfer it into the higher interest paying ISA when it comes, the loss is for the 10-12 days that it will take to transfer the ISA, when you'll lose all interest
3000*5.75*10
36500
Equating the two, we get a value for x as around 53 days. Which means that I should hold back, only if a more attractive rate of 5.75% is expected within the next 53 days. Now I don't see that as possible, so I am going ahead and making an appointment on Monday to fund my Abbey ISA with this year's allowance.It's always the grass that suffers, irrespective of whether the elephants are fighting or making love !!!0 -
There is no way you will lose 10-12 days interest with a transfer, the bank requests the funds from the bank that the money is in, that bank sends a cheque and when the receiving bank receives the cheque it usually starts paying interest from that day, so if you are unlucky and there is a weekend involved you might lose 4 days interest maximumDon`t steal - the Government doesn`t like the competition0
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iomexico wrote:Is it best to invest £3000 now into a new ISA and transfer £6000 from M & S ISA 5.25% or wait and see if any better rates are announced in the next few weeks
I was in the same position as you earlier this week. I've got £6,000 in a M&S ISA and wasn't sure whether to put my new £3,000 allowance in there too. I decided to stick with M&S, as they have been pretty good so far. The rate is still pretty competitive and they do tend to increase their rate the day after a BOE interest rate rise.
I don't think it's worth waiting around for better rates to come out, as you're losing out now on the tax-free interest that you could be earning on your £3,000. £3,000 in the M&S ISA at 5.25% would earn around 43p per day or £3.02 per week, therefore, each week you choose to delay will decrease the amount of interest you'll receive for 2005/06.Please call me 'Kazza'.0 -
derrick wrote:There is no way you will lose 10-12 days interest with a transfer, the bank requests the funds from the bank that the money is in, that bank sends a cheque and when the receiving bank receives the cheque it usually starts paying interest from that day, so if you are unlucky and there is a weekend involved you might lose 4 days interest maximum
Thanks Derrick. That actually makes an even stronger case for investing into an ISA right away, instead of waiting for a higher paying one to come up.It's always the grass that suffers, irrespective of whether the elephants are fighting or making love !!!0 -
A lot has been said in various threads about investing £3000 into an ISA now. This is good advice if you have a lump sum you are not going to need this year. If you are going to need the money during the year you think a bit more about it. It may not be the best option to invest immediately.
The rule of thumb I use is that on 5th April next year you should have the maximum possible amount in your ISA. What this means is if you have money in savings outside of an ISA on that date and you have not got (not put) £3000 in your (Cash) ISA then you have saved unwisely.
Remember that once you take money out of an ISA you cannot put it back.0 -
Two points...derrick wrote:There is no way you will lose 10-12 days interest with a transfer, the bank requests the funds from the bank that the money is in, that bank sends a cheque and when the receiving bank receives the cheque it usually starts paying interest from that day, so if you are unlucky and there is a weekend involved you might lose 4 days interest maximum
1/ I lost (at least) 14 days when I transferred from Safeway (Abbey) to IF last year because Abbey forgot to sign the cheque! Which brings me onto my second point...
2/ Why can't they do it by BACS, as this would ensure max 3-4 days lost, and stop the idiot who put my unsigned cheque in an envelope from making the same mistake again? Would also eliminate any postal problems.0 -
YorkshireBoy wrote:Two points...
1/ I lost (at least) 14 days when I transferred from Safeway (Abbey) to IF last year because Abbey forgot to sign the cheque! Which brings me onto my second point...
2/ Why can't they do it by BACS, as this would ensure max 3-4 days lost, and stop the idiot who put my unsigned cheque in an envelope from making the same mistake again? Would also eliminate any postal problems.
That is obviously out of the norm, if someone doesn`t sign the cheque, however if it can be proved,in your case, that Abbey did not sign the cheque, then Abbey should compensate you.
With refernece to your second point, I have been informed it is to do with money laundering, i.e. if you open a new account you have to open it with a cheque drawn on your current account, therefore the bank transferring your money has to do the same thing, therefore leaving a paper trail, as the info from the bank can lead back to your original deposit from your current account, this info was told to me from M&S Money and sounds plausable,but I do agree with you that we should be able to do it by telegraphic transfers.Don`t steal - the Government doesn`t like the competition0 -
But there is already a paper trail without the need for cheques. ISA managers must send a transfer form and retain a copy themselves detailing what is being transferred and where from. ISA managers must keep this information on file, along with the original application, for 6 years from the date of transfer. These transfer forms are checked as part of the audit checks that all ISA managers must go through periodically from the revenue.0
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