Oyster card to Heathrow?

gner_ex

alan99 wrote: »

Hello

How would someone travelling from zone 4 via z123 pay the best fare to Heathrow via heathrow Connect.

Could they use a pre pay Oyster till Hayes and buy a ticket in advance for Hayes to Heathrow. How will they touch out?

Or buy a single Z1-6 to Hayes and again can they buy a ticket several days in advance for Hayes to Heathrow.

Any other suggestions. Preferably without having to buy a ticket on the day at Paddington.

PS how would you work it coming back.

Thanks

Alan

You're confusing two things. Oyster pay as you go is NOT valid to Hays. Do you have a TRAVELCARD on Oyster?

From your message, I'm guessing you have a zone R1234 travelcard? If so, you can simply buy a "boundary zone 4" to "Heathrow Connect" ticket, from your local station. I believe this can be a period ticket. For Heathrow Express, you would have to buy London Paddington to Heathrow Express (or a station beyond Paddington).

Re the comments about Heathrow connect being outside the zones... take a look at the London Connections map - this clearly shows the rail stations to be outside the zones, and the tube stations to be in them.

KungFuJoe

Just a tip - if you get on the tube using an Oyster card and then get out more than two hours later, you will get charged twice! The system doesn't expect any journey to take more than two hours, therefore assumes that you've left the network somewhere along the way and come back on without using your Oyster. While this is not normally an issue on the tube, from Heathrow, a busy station at one end of the network, it's quite possible to have two hour journeys if there are any hold ups along the way. (I regularly took the tube from Heathrow to Southgate, pretty much the length of the Picadilly Line and a few times this took over two hours.) If this happens, speak to a member of staff in a ticket office and ask them to refund the second charge. If no-one's around, phone Oyster instead.

ticketcollector

gner_ex wrote: »

From your message, I'm guessing you have a zone R1234 travelcard? If so, you can simply buy a "boundary zone 4" to "Heathrow Connect" ticket, from your local station. I believe this can be a period ticket. For Heathrow Express, you would have to buy London Paddington to Heathrow Express (or a station beyond Paddington).

Re the comments about Heathrow connect being outside the zones... take a look at the London Connections map - this clearly shows the rail stations to be outside the zones, and the tube stations to be in them.

There is no fare for Boundary Zone 4 to Heathrow Connect. However there is a fare to Heathrow Rail H584.

BOUNDARY ZONE 4 0043 - HEATHROW RAIL H584
HEATHROW RAIL H584

rte NOT LONDON 700 +
GWR
Ticket type Restrictions (S) (R)
SO 9.80
SD 5.50 8.90
CD B1 8.90

Now when I do a ticket from London Terminals to Heathrow Express it comes up with..

LONDON TERMINALS 1072 - HEATHROW RAIL H584
HEATHROW RAIL H584

rte NOT HEATHROW EXP 128 + +
GWR
Ticket type Restrictions (S) (R)
SO 12.90
SD 6.90 11.90
CD B1 11.90
7D 48.20

rte Any Permitted + +
ATO
Ticket type Restrictions (S) (R)
FO 24.50 47.00
SO 15.50 29.00

Now this has confused me as well as the boundary zone ticket states a route of Not London, but how the hell do you use it if its only valid on Heathrow express yet Heathrow express only stops in london?????

alan99_2

Ok thanks for replies.

Ok a theory question

Punter travels from harrow and wealdstone zone 5 to heathrow on tube (changing at paddington) and heathrow connect.(may or may not be best route)

He can buy paper single £4 zone 1/6 and then either
a) another £6.90 padd to heathrow or

b) another £4.90 hays to heathrow.

Questions

is b) an option

if so can he go straight thro without breaking his journey at Hays.ie can he buy ticket in advance from Nat rail hays to heathrow and will he need to validate said ticket at hays .
Indeed will he be able to continue using his Z1/6 travel card thro the Heathrow Connect gate at Paddington.

Thanks, if you can answer.

Alan

ticketcollector

Yes b is an option as long as the train, where your tickets changeover, stops there.
You dont have to physically get off the train.

19. Using a combination of tickets
You may use two or more tickets for one journey as long as together they cover
the entire journey and one of the following applies:
(a) they are both Zonal Tickets (unless special conditions prohibit their use);
(b) the train you are in calls at the station where you change from one ticket to
another; or
(c) one of the tickets is a Season Ticket (which for this purpose does not include Season
Tickets or travel passes issued on behalf of a passenger transport executive or
local authority) or a leisure travel pass, and the other ticket(s) is/are not

gner_ex

ticketcollector wrote: »

There is no fare for Boundary Zone 4 to Heathrow Connect.

On the 2007 version of Avantix traveller I have, the options are Heathrow Airport (which I assume is LU though there is also Heathrow Undergd), Heathrow Connect, Heathrow Express, then a few bus-related destinations. I'm quite happy to believe that this has changed though. H584 on this version resolves to "Heathrow Express".

Heathrow Connect is H987 - is that still on the new version? Heathrow Airport is 5564, and Heathrow Undergd is 0782.

Re the boundary ticket marked as "not london", surely this is just implying that you must have a valid travelcard to cater for the London bit? I.e. that a BZ4 ticket is just basically a Southall to Heathrow ticket? I didn't think that boundary tickets would apply to HeX at all though.

gner_ex

gner_ex wrote: »

Re the comments about Heathrow connect being outside the zones... take a look at the London Connections map - this clearly shows the rail stations to be outside the zones, and the tube stations to be in them.

Map now back online, at http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system/galleries/download/print_maps/LondonConnections.pdf

(this is a good one to save/print off - gives much more detail that the LU "lon con" map)

gner_ex

ticketcollector wrote: »

Yes b is an option as long as the train, where your tickets changeover, stops there.
You dont have to physically get off the train.

19. Using a combination of tickets
You may use two or more tickets for one journey as long as together they cover
the entire journey and one of the following applies:
(a) they are both Zonal Tickets (unless special conditions prohibit their use);
(b) the train you are in calls at the station where you change from one ticket to
another; or
(c) one of the tickets is a Season Ticket (which for this purpose does not include Season
Tickets or travel passes issued on behalf of a passenger transport executive or
local authority) or a leisure travel pass, and the other ticket(s) is/are not

I have an email (from Barry Doe, no less) stating that National Rail Conditions of Carriage do NOT apply to Heathrow Express throughout, nor apply to Heathrow Connect beyond Hayes. But of course, given that they are two seperate tickets and the Connect train stops there. I don't believe one could use rule 19C and travel on Heathrow Express though.

ticketcollector

gner_ex wrote: »

On the 2007 version of Avantix traveller I have, the options are Heathrow Airport (which I assume is LU though there is also Heathrow Undergd), Heathrow Connect, Heathrow Express, then a few bus-related destinations. I'm quite happy to believe that this has changed though. H584 on this version resolves to "Heathrow Express".

Heathrow Connect is H987 - is that still on the new version? Heathrow Airport is 5564, and Heathrow Undergd is c.

Re the boundary ticket marked as "not london", surely this is just implying that you must have a valid travelcard to cater for the London bit? I.e. that a BZ4 ticket is just basically a Southall to Heathrow ticket? I didn't think that boundary tickets would apply to HeX at all though.

I use the up to date online version at http://frpp.tso.co.uk but I cannot give you the login.
Many station names change every fares update (just to confuse the punters!!).

HEATHROW CONNECT - H987
HEATHROW AIRPORT - 5564
HEATHROW RAIL - H584
HEATHROW UNDERGD 0782

gner_ex

Can 5564 and H584 be used for Connect or Express then?

What is the difference between them?

Presumably, because travel between terminals is free, there is no need to list them as three seperate stations?