Water Meter - Removal of

mute_posting

anony_mouse wrote: »

1, children in theory use less water than adults when bathing as the bath would not be filled to the same level.
2, children do not as far as i am aware launder their own clothes.

I'd say that when a child has a bath (as opposed to a baby in a baby bath) they use at least 50% of the water of an adult if not 75%

They'll flush the loo just as many times, if not more

They may not wash their own clothes but they certainly get washed by somebody! And as they tend to get muddy may well be put on as a seperate wash anyway

Therefore (IMHO) the "water that isn't consumed" (which AFAIK makes up the greatest proportion of water usage) element for a child is broadly similar to an adult surely?

Just my 2p

MP

anony_mouse_5

Cardew wrote: »

No it most certainly would not be a reasonable consumption!

Also to throw your teddy out of the pram and threaten to leave the site, because your figures were(politely) queried is hardly constructive.

The beauty of the internet is that you can find out facts on water consumption very quickly.

Look at any of the many publications available from ofwat, the various water companies and Government statistics and they give a mass of detail on water consumption in UK households.(google 'water consumption UK')

You will also find a mass of detail on the breakdown of consumption in households.

So certainly I place more faith in those publications, than someone who works in the industry; unless they can give me evidence that the figures are wrong.

The rationale you put forward that children don't wash their own clothes(so doesn't count against their consumption) if evidence of your reasoning, speaks volumes.

Right i didn't mean to "throw my toys out the pram" as you put it but let me explain something for the last 5 years i have been working in the department that deals with all of this type of thing.
I am a field specialist and actually work with the meters( exchanging them,flow testing consumption tests etc) and i take pride in knowing my job (as i'm sure you do)
i do know what i am on about since i work with this stuff day in and day out.
after reading your post i went back and asked my colleagues to clarify if you were right and they all answered realistically that 60m3 would be high for a single person.
I do however think it is very narrow minded of you once informed by someone in the industry who deals with this kind of thing daily to refute it and quote publications.

So in future i'm going to let you crack on and tell people that 60m3 per annum is usual.because god forbid someone from within a water company disagrees with you.

Let me leave you with one question though-
if i read a publication on nuclear physics ( or went on google "nuclear physics")would that make me a nuclear physicist?

Cardew

anony_mouse wrote: »

Right i didn't mean to "throw my toys out the pram" as you put it but let me explain something for the last 5 years i have been working in the department that deals with all of this type of thing.
I am a field specialist and actually work with the meters( exchanging them,flow testing consumption tests etc) and i take pride in knowing my job (as i'm sure you do)
i do know what i am on about since i work with this stuff day in and day out.
after reading your post i went back and asked my colleagues to clarify if you were right and they all answered realistically that 60m3 would be high for a single person.
I do however think it is very narrow minded of you once informed by someone in the industry who deals with this kind of thing daily to refute it and quote publications.

So in future i'm going to let you crack on and tell people that 60m3 per annum is usual.because god forbid someone from within a water company disagrees with you.

Let me leave you with one question though-
if i read a publication on nuclear physics ( or went on google "nuclear physics")would that make me a nuclear physicist?

I detect a degree of obfuscation.

You are well aware that my central point was not the adult consumption of 52 m3 per year – as you stated it is only a guide.

The issue was that you have stated that children apparently only use 25% the adult annual consumption.

Do your colleagues agree with you on that point??

Do they also agree your reasoning about children not laundering their own clothes etc?

If so does your company have any publication to state this?

Nearly every company has a calculator for water consumption. The start point is invariably “how many people in your household”.

So as you are the expert, are you suggesting that two parents with 4 children should enter 3 people in the household? or 6 people?

It is a bit difficult for people to use these calculators if they have less than 4 children as it doesn’t seem possible to enter 2.25 people etc!!

So please answer the 25% children issue and then you can move on to nuclear physics.;)

Just a final point.

I appreciate that you are new to this forum, and it is always good news when someone from within an industry can contribute - their specialist knowledge is always useful.

However a forum by definition is for discussing issues. My original intervention in this thread was a very mild comment on the accuracy of your figures - and I stand by my comment that on the 25% children issue you are wrong.

Prove me wrong and I will concede and apologise. However to take the stance that 'I work in the industry and can't possibly be wrong' will not wash in this forum.

GLN

Sorry to interupt but seen as this is a fourm i thought i might pass on a little bit of my knowledge as i also work in the water industry..

As far as i am aware the average consumption for 1 person per year is 60cubic meters.

deanos

Seems to be a few people who work in the water industry about eh

birchscrub

Before this turns into the water industry workers bore thread (and I'm one too) a few thoughts:

we can all point to ceratin reports at certain dates and find numbers that support our arguments and in the south of england, where I've been doing most of my work, water consumption per person has fallen by about 10% in the last few years, mostly due to the drought and the messages around because of that.

Water use per person generally rises with affluence - not so much because you can afford to, but you have a bigger garden to water etc.

A house has a water overhead - a single person living alone will use more water than a couple use each in the same house or flat.

Water usage figures (at last) - and I'll only claim these are the ones I have in my head when i revew a report on performance:

Current England and Wales metered customer average - 150 litres/ head/ day - about 54 m3/yr

England and wales unmetered average - 160 litres /head /day -about 58 m3/yr

South East england usage rates are both about 10 /l/h/d more which gets us to the 62m3/yr figure for unmeasured use discussed earlier.

Now the bit I'm sad enough to find intersting: one company in the south east has a target of getting consumption to 120l/h/d - 44m3/yr. I know some people - rather fanatical, who manage 80l/h/d - 30m3/yr. cheap, but you need a few buckets.

GLN

deanos wrote: »

Seems to be a few people who work in the water industry about eh

Well seen as this is a fourm about water.. it would attract the people in the industry to pass on their knowledge....:T