Will my university hinder my chances of getting the job i want?

Blacksheep1979

no they're not in depth this is a shallow skimming along the top of everything - it's giving you a taste of what things can do without going into the real depth of how it works, why it was designed that way and what it's strengths/weaknesses are. And I'm not saying just you won't have in depth knowledge I'm saying any uni student won't but especially when they're being spread so thinly on so many topics.

A whole year of Java as a uni module is nothing and the 1st Java cert is tbh a joke and about as well thought of as mcse's in decent computing circles. Yes I did a computer related degree and now work in that field, yes I went to a proper uni, no I don't think I left with an indepth knowledge of any language but I definately had a greater understanding of the fundamentals than people I've chatted to from some 'unis' - seriously do you honestly think that employers, spending the money they do on recruiting and training would be so blinkered as to ignore ex-polys for no good reason? They want decent people and they don't care if you're black, white, one legged, gay, deaf etc etc etc as long as you can do the job yet you don't see them recruiting at certain institutions....

Lokolo

Yes they do! Thats the whole point.

If you saw a black man in a hoody with his hood up in a gang, would you think he is a trouble maker? Simple as, you would.

Girls going around wearing skimpy tops and short skirts, you think they're dirty, thats what people think.

Its just the same as ex polys, people think oh, its an expoly, must be crap. Its exactly what my head of sixth form teacher thinks and I think its so derogitory (right word, sp?). Your friends for instance, without being rude on purpose, how do you know they're just not very good at what they do? The university may have tried to teach them but they're too thick to understand, get my drift?

Employers know that advertising in a proper university is going to give them more of good standards than advertising in an ex poly where there may only be a few of good standards. And yes, I agree, a lot of people at my university are thick as s*** and few people have come here with decent A Levels, decent knowledge and going to come out with good degrees, and employers aren't going to look twice. Which I think is unfair as the person could be awesome at what he does.

And yeh you are biast towards proper universities because you clearly think you are better than anyone else if they didn't go to your university (which is clearly true you can't deny it) and I am biast towards ex polys saying they aren't as bad as you make them out to be. But the fact is in life there is biasty (not sure what the word is!) and it is totally unfair, and I don't think all employers are like this.

Blacksheep1979

Don't worry they weren't my friends and yes they may have been thick, but that's why they didn't get as good grades and went to an ex poly where the levels of teaching ARE less and the prospects are less because of this - seriously if you get into a top end company and see what their HR team are like they wouldn't care if the person has a degree from Cambridge or from the University of South East West nowhere as long as they are capable of doing the job but the quality of education from these institutions isn't comparible to that from a traditional uni and that makes them less favourable as the people from there are less likely to be able to perform to the same level as somewhere from a traditional level.

Don't want to sound rude but hey may as well - you aren't really helping your argument by not knowing the difference between depth and breadth of knowledge.

Lokolo

Blacksheep1979 wrote: »

Don't worry they weren't my friends and yes they may have been thick, but that's why they didn't get as good grades and went to an ex poly where the levels of teaching ARE less and the prospects are less because of this - seriously if you get into a top end company and see what their HR team are like they wouldn't care if the person has a degree from Cambridge or from the University of South East West nowhere as long as they are capable of doing the job but the quality of education from these institutions isn't comparible to that from a traditional uni and that makes them less favourable as the people from there are less likely to be able to perform to the same level as somewhere from a traditional level.

Exactly! So people won't care what university they come from (unless its you), as long as they have the skills!

So in the ops case he is fine! As long as he knows all his stuff he will get the job he wants.

Its just so unbelivable how arrogant you really are. Someone in my school who thought he was so better than anyone else went to London to do English degree and dropped out after 6 months because he couldn't hack it. He got AAA for A Levels and my sixth form teacher loved him to bits because he was so great and going to such a good uni, now look at him!

I just think you shouldn't be so biast and instead of looking at the universities on a piece of paper, you should always look at the individuals themselves, which I really don't think you've ever done.

Blacksheep1979 wrote: »

Don't want to sound rude but hey may as well - you aren't really helping your argument by not knowing the difference between depth and breadth of knowledge.

Then explain it?

Blacksheep1979

Lokolo wrote: »

Exactly! So people won't care what university they come from (unless its you), as long as they have the skills!

Yes - but they won't have got those skills from those universities, so no point the institutions advertising there.

Lokolo wrote: »

I just think you shouldn't be so biast and instead of looking at the universities on a piece of paper, you should always look at the individuals themselves, which I really don't think you've ever done.

yes but why bother when if the individuals show such disregard for their own education either by being good enough to go elsewhere and slacking off at an ex-poly or by not being good enough in the first place to go elsewhere (in which case not good enough for the job). So why not do what all businesses are trying to do and cut costs and rule out people who have next to no chance of performing to standard?

Lokolo wrote: »

Then explain it?

There you go - ex-poly student wanting to be spoon fed rather than learn themselves. I'll give you a hint, what you think is depth isn't

Yes businesses don't care about personal circumstances they'll accept you from anywhere/anyhow if they think you can do the job but how do you explain that you didn't maximise your potential? To the op - get yourself an MA from a proper institution and nobody will care where your first degree came from, don't and any decent interviewer is going to ask why you went to the place you did when it's quite a bit lower than where you could have gone and you'd best have some very very good answers (that's if you get that far)

Lokolo

So you're saying that people are slackers because they want to go to an ex-poly if they could go to a better uni? How do you know how hard Person A works, how hard Person B works. You aren't mr know it all.

And I'm sorry, so just because I asked you a question you think I want to be spoon fed? Half the people on the forums ask questions which could be looked up but do you respond to them? Yes. Why should my question be any different?

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/main.jhtml?xml=/global/2004/11/15/edmba952.xml <--- read that. And I assume that the telegraph is decent enough for you?

melancholly

Blacksheep - give up! don't feed the troll any more. we *all* know they're talking rubbish!!

no-one said an ex-poly was 'bad', just not as good as a top 5 or 10 uni - and we all agree that a degree certificate alone is no job guarentee. everyone has been pretty positive to the OP, until one bitter individual started trying to say really daft things that have no factual basis (or weren't even based on other posts in this thread!). a million posts on this thread is not going to change the fact that some universities are considered better than others (and indeed that some subjects are considered weaker at the same institution). Lokolo - just give up trying to change the world before you graduate and stop turning a helpful thread for the OP into a slanging match.

Blacksheep1979

Ok someone needs to start reading and understanding more - an mba isn't every MA it's a business specialised one and your point is? (other than flawed at the start)

Ok I'll tell you part of what I know - I know the course content both depth and quantity is generally far easier at an ex-poly. So if you have the ability to work harder and on more challenging stuff (by going to a better uni) then surely by definition you are slacking by taking on lesser work that isn't as challenging?

Who do you honeslty think is right about this, you or lots of top end employers with many years of experience? Oh, must be you mr 1st year with no business experience.

Lokolo

melancholly - blacksheep is saying that, he is saying that all expolys are crap! How can you say you're all being positive? You're all saying that unless he gets a masters hes not going to get a decent job. In what way is that positive?

And why do you keep saying I'm a troll? Its a discussion. One person says their points, the next says theirs and so fourth?

Blacksheep - so I should spend 3 years at a university I don't even like to get a degree as its at a uni better in the league tables? And who are you one to say with lots of experience? From the looks of your name you were born in 1979, that makes you what, 29 this year, hardly someone with masses of experience.
And my point is I don't think he needs a masters to get a decent job, whereas you are saying he does.

Blacksheep1979

Lokolo wrote: »

Blacksheep - so I should spend 3 years at a university I don't even like to get a degree as its at a uni better in the league tables? And who are you one to say with lots of experience? From the looks of your name you were born in 1979, that makes you what, 29 this year, hardly someone with masses of experience.
And my point is I don't think he needs a masters to get a decent job, whereas you are saying he does.

If by having to work harder and study something harder you mean not enjoy then you really aren't going to like or do well in the working world. I can't really think of any other reason to prefer Stoke on Trent (which is a pit) to the likes of Manchester, Leeds etc - far more fun places to live.

Yes I am 29, it still makes me most likely the best part of a decade older than you which in real world terms is quite a bit of experience and a hell of a lot more than you. I'm saying that he will fare far better with a masters than without - if you disagree with that then you obviously are rather stupid..