Motoflow

harrygreen

Nobody seems to have heard of this product but I've put something called a Motoflow 2 on my Daewoo Lanos and it's cut my petrol usage by about 12%. My mate John has got one on his new Freelander and he's doing even better.

It's a magnetic thingy - apparently the DTI has checked it out and confirmed that it works.

I got mine from https://www.trader2000.co.uk (can I mention that? There's no kickback to me!) who give a discount and a money-back guarantee.

blue_haddock

if these are so good and can save so much fuel why do no manufacturers actually fit them as standard?

Yet another dodgy rip-off product thats best avoided.

tonys_3

Whilst there have been many fuel saving devices down the years that have not lived up to their claims,there are a couple on the market that do appear to work..
Trying to prove that they work takes weeks if not months to prove,since many
factors affect fuel consumption.

I don't know of your product Harry,but unless your vehicle is quite old,I doubt if you are getting savings of 12%.I grant you that if you are checking your fuel consumption regularly,it may be showing something like that but if you are comparing it to figures over several months,bear in mind that winter figures are always worse than summer figures because the weather is much better now.You will not be running with heater ,blower ,windscreen wipers;and lights will not be used so early in the day,plus winds will be lighter in summer too.All these factors come into play and affect your calculations.Also when people are using a device as yours,they tend to drive a bit more carefully because they are more conscious of their fuel consumption than before.I would doubt that the DTI would confirm that they have approved your product however.I don't think that is a route they have ever gone down.

There is one car manufacturer that does fit a fuel saving device to its cars-I think it is
South Korean possibly Perodua if that is Korean.IT is a company from that neck of the woods.

The reason that major manufacturers do not involve themselves with fuel saving devices is twofold.THe cost of trialling the product runs into thousands of pounds and takes months to evaluate.THe only time a mainstream company would contemplate such action would be in circumstances where they would buy the product and keep it for themselves and thus sell more vehicles because they would be so much more fuel effficient than their rivals.

Otherwise whats the point in spending money and time testing a product, then when you have proved it works,all the other manufacturers jump on the bandwagon too.

harrygreen

Thanks for your comments. I've done a bit of checking and learned the following: -

The product has been tested and the savings confirmed by Government departments and independent academic studies in 6 countries including the UK. The DTI's Warren Spring Laboratory wrote a report confirming the saving.
National Grid plc ran a 12-month test with 50 vehicles and saved £8800 on fuel.

The supplier is a UK company with an A1 Dunn & Bradstreet rating.

The product is sold with an unconditional 90-day money-back guarantee.

The latest generation of engines currently in development uses magnetic technology to get this saving.

Cheers,

Harry

tonys_3

Harry- as far as I know,the DTI commissioned Warren Springs to test ecoflow back in 1992-and no other government department has had any involvement with ecoflow since then.Nor have they endorsed the product.Warren Springs are now defunct,and it is my understanding that Ecoflow pulled out of the tests before Warren Springs completed all their tests.Which is a pity since over a longer period,they might have cleared up some of the unexplained anomalies in their tests.

That ecoflow did reduce exhaust emissions and fuel consumption o the car tested
seems vindicated.However you have to bear in mind that the car tested was made in
1988 and had already covered around 100,000 miles as specified by ecoflow in order to achieve the best results.

Over the last fifteen years,motor manufacturers have succeeded in making their engines much more fuel efficient.In the 80's and before,something like 30% of fuel was
emitted via the exhaust, unburnt.Today that unburnt figure is closer to 10%.

On top of that,we now have,mistakenly I feel,gone down the road of fitting catalytic converters to all cars.[http://www.uhuh.com/reports/headsup/hu87.htm see the article third down headed "Negligence and junk science at EPA].

As ecoflow type products reduce exhaust emissions and temperatures,it would be interesting to see what effect that had on the efficiency of the cats. since they rely on engines running at certain temperatures to burn off waste matter collected on their filters.It would be pointless saving money on fuel consumption if the catalytic converter clogged up so much more quickly.

To finish,I would repeat my original post to say that whilst I don't doubt that you are getting savings,12% seems dubious if your car is even fairly modern.3% to 6% I would
believe is possible.Any thing much over that and other factors are coming in to play.

BFG_2

One of these products and the companies flogging them were recently had up by the ASA and found guilty of misleading adverts. They couldn't prove that the claims they made were valid (Gee, what a surprise!!!).

I ask the same question that another poster has asked...
...
If they work, why don't manufacturers fit them as standard???

tonys_3

BFG-sadly many fuel saving products do not work.But that does not mean that all of them are therefore scams.
I have already answered the usual question in my previous post "if they work...".
Although I would also add that because these products keep the engine cleaner,the
vehicles lasts longer.Not something that is in the interest of manufacturers.