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Early start - who has the right ??
workingboy
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Hi,
I and some other team members of 10 work on a rota in groups of 2 or 3 having a total of 4 teams. The rota is staggered to give a 7 day cover for the employer.
3 teams because of the rota are required to work weekends as part of the normal working day and 1 team is off. So each team in rotation has 1 weekend off each month and certain alternating 2 days in the week (giving 7days on, 2 off, 6 on, 2 off, 7 on and 4 off.
As the mornings are getting lighter, the team members are prepared to start work at 6.00am and finish at 14.30pm (8hr shift), where the normal starting time is 7.30am and finish at 16.00pm.
The management say if all who are concerned agree to start at this time, no problem, as its all or nothing.
But 1 team member who refuses to start at 6.00am, and prevents the rest from starting early. So the other team members can only start early when this team member is off for the weekend which only falls once a month or when on sick leave or holidays.
The question is:
Can this member hold the rest of the teams to ransom by refusing to start early.
The management say that the normal starting time is 7.30 and a employee cannot be forced to start early against their will, although others wish to.
But surely, majority rule????
comments please.
I and some other team members of 10 work on a rota in groups of 2 or 3 having a total of 4 teams. The rota is staggered to give a 7 day cover for the employer.
3 teams because of the rota are required to work weekends as part of the normal working day and 1 team is off. So each team in rotation has 1 weekend off each month and certain alternating 2 days in the week (giving 7days on, 2 off, 6 on, 2 off, 7 on and 4 off.
As the mornings are getting lighter, the team members are prepared to start work at 6.00am and finish at 14.30pm (8hr shift), where the normal starting time is 7.30am and finish at 16.00pm.
The management say if all who are concerned agree to start at this time, no problem, as its all or nothing.
But 1 team member who refuses to start at 6.00am, and prevents the rest from starting early. So the other team members can only start early when this team member is off for the weekend which only falls once a month or when on sick leave or holidays.
The question is:
Can this member hold the rest of the teams to ransom by refusing to start early.
The management say that the normal starting time is 7.30 and a employee cannot be forced to start early against their will, although others wish to.
But surely, majority rule????
comments please.
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No, the majority dont rule. If the terms and conditions of employment were for set hours then any changes have to be agreed by all members of staff or "forced" by the employer by following certain steps.
It seems the employer is being fair by agreeing that hours can be changed subject to everyone being in agreement.
The person unwilling to change may not be able to get childcare for those times etc or simply wants to work the hours they agreed to when accepting the job.0 -
To be honest, its just a case where the member is not one for getting up early after a night out socializing, as we all do.
But we still make an effort.
(No childcare is involved, but will start early if it suits.)0 -
workingboy wrote: »To be honest, its just a case where the member is not one for getting up early after a night out socializing, as we all do.
But we still make an effort.
(No childcare is involved, but will start early if it suits.)
Unfortunately he still has the right to work his contracted hours.
Would change to starting an hour later just because he needed an extra hour in bed?
I know it's no help, but there's not a lot you can do about it.0 -
geordie_joe wrote: »Unfortunately he still has the right to work his contracted hours.
Would change to starting an hour later just because he needed an extra hour in bed?
I know it's no help, but there's not a lot you can do about it.
Who said its a 'He'. ? :eek:0 -
workingboy wrote: »Who said its a 'He'. ? :eek:
It was the royal 'He'
Sorry, just my assumption that everyone is talking about a man. Not that it matters as women have the same rights too.0 -
Put the boot on the other foot.
Imagine you were in a group of six people who started at 7:30 am, and five of them wanted to start at 6:00 am, but you didn't (for whatever reason)
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Put the boot on the other foot.
Imagine you were in a group of six people who started at 7:30 am, and five of them wanted to start at 6:00 am, but you didn't (for whatever reason)
How would you feel about being forced to get up early against your will?
I would go with the majority, as most people would and bear it.
There are alot of things we are all forced to do against our will, but life still goes on.
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workingboy wrote: »I would go with the majority, as most people would and bear it.
There are alot of things we all forced to do against our will, but life still goes on.
You may, but from your employers point of view, if that one person complained he could be in trouble.
You can't change someone's contracted hours just because his/her colleagues want you too.0 -
workingboy wrote: »I would go with the majority, as most people would and bear it.
There are alot of things we are all forced to do against our will, but life still goes on.
But if employers were able to change hours without the consent of staff, where would this liberty end? Being able to drop wages? Being able to reduce hours? Being able to terminate employment without just cause?
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This is the secret message.0 -
Can your colleague not switch shifts, thus allowing the rest of you to start and finish an hour earlier?0
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