this 10p tax issue.....

paul2468

For what it's worth i will not be voting Labour ............untill they get rid Brown !!!!!!

Meltdown_2

Ian_W wrote: »

Yer missed out Kaiser Bill!

Nah! Considered and rejected. We could always have just brought our lads home. The German Navy was no match for ours at that time, so the security of the country was not threatened.

King_Weasel

What about George W? Threatens the security of the whole world.

Kay_Peel

Sigh......

I'm getting a baffling message from the chancellor's so-called 'compensation' measures. The 'deserving' poor are of pensionable age or they have children. The 'undeserving' poor are adults between 18 and 60/65 years.

I fall into the 'undeserving' category and so do my adult student children who work part-time in low paid jobs to pay their debts while at university.

How many of the undeserving are there, I wonder? And why are we undeserving? If I hear any politician use the phrase 'hard-working, decent families' and how their policies are designed to help h-w and d families, then I will throw up.

Bring on the local elections! And, by golly, I'll remember this tax rise at the next general election.

larmy16

I am undeserving too Kay, yet it costs us just as much to live! I would love to see Gordon Brown survive on the money us undeserving have to. What I earn probably doesnt even meet his dental bills!!!!

Sharpe

It is terrible that the poor are being hit hard again. I have noticed about a £3 loss a week coming off my wage. I've had to resort to asking my boss for a rise which I hate doing but the cost of fuel is braking my wallet amoungst other things. I feel skint all the time even though it might not be true but its a crappy way to be. I won't be voting labour thats for sure. They said they were a party for the "working man" but it is exactly that group of people who are being ripped off. I can only assume that this is some sort of ploy to get rid of the foreign workers on low wages because it is no longer profitable for them to send money back home. All the foreign workers at my place of work have all left now.

wigglebeena

Optimist wrote: »

Its the "claim" bit I find irritating. This government makes people beg for money that should be theirs in the first place. Changing the tax allowances is far too easy for this government they want people to think they are getting something, out of a caring government, not to mention the cost of administration !:mad::mad:

I only wish I could thank you umpteen times for this post, Optimist. Hear hear hear hear hear...

What a crooked expenses-fiddling bunch of rotten lying thieves this lot are...

minimadtrix

Kay_Peel wrote: »

Sigh......

I'm getting a baffling message from the chancellor's so-called 'compensation' measures. The 'deserving' poor are of pensionable age or they have children. The 'undeserving' poor are adults between 18 and 60/65 years.

I fall into the 'undeserving' category and so do my adult student children who work part-time in low paid jobs to pay their debts while at university.

How many of the undeserving are there, I wonder? And why are we undeserving? If I hear any politician use the phrase 'hard-working, decent families' and how their policies are designed to help h-w and d families, then I will throw up.

Bring on the local elections! And, by golly, I'll remember this tax rise at the next general election.

As an underserving couple, me and the other half fall into this category, so I took note when they first started talkikng about it - there's still 2.5 million of us couples that won't benefit!!!! Not sure about single people, but I think there was a total of 5.5 million that were originally affected.

Sorry, I just need a rant now, but it does annoy me that I get 14.5k a year and my hubby is limited to about 6k in benefits a year (due to an accident he can't work at all). Now, because we're over the WTC threshold, we're deemed as being affulent. So why, every month, do we go overdrawn just paying bills - we don't have any loans, credit cards - just a mortgage and the standard household bills - even the car is owned by motability!!!!:mad: :mad:

I invite Mr Brown to live our lives for a year and see how affulent we really are.

Thank you, I feel a little better now

margaretclare

Although this 'tax con' does not actually affect me or DH, because we get the increased age-related tax allowances, I am still interested in it because it does directly affect a lot of other people that I know.

I was in the hairdresser's on Friday evening and was talking to a lady there. She's in the low-paid bracket and has immediately started paying more tax, since the new tax year started. The argument I heard from Alistair Darling was that people like her would be compensated by being able to claim tax credits. Leaving aside the argument as to why someone should have to pay more then claim their own money back again, she won't be able to claim tax credits because of her husband's income. In other words, tax allowances are individual but tax credits are means-tested.

Darling's arguments about 'compensation' were apparently enough to buy off Frank Field and his assortment of Labour rebels. But there are a lot of people, including the lady I was talking to, who will not be compensated through the existing mechanisms.

At the same time people are being told we are not saving enough, more people should be saving for their retirement - that was in a report only very recently. People like that lady, however, have less income to save from, because of increased tax!

It does actually serve the interests of any 'socialist' government to keep many people low-paid, and to keep them dependent on state hand-outs, rather than encourage their independence. Why else do you think older people have been 'bought off' by hand-outs like winter fuel, free TV licences and free bus passes, instead of giving them a decent income?

On a related note, yesterday DH and I attended a conference in central London organised by the Campaign for an English Parliament, entitled 'The Future of England'. Now, I would have thought that a conference with such a title, in a country with 50+ million people (England, that is) would have been packed to the doors, standing room only. In fact there were a lot of vacant seats and there were far too few younger people there. The chairman of Eastern Counties branch of the English Democrats Party (he's a former UKIP man) said to me recently that he never goes to meetings like that, because it's 'preaching to the converted'. I enjoyed the conference, but I'm afraid he was right.

linden_2

"Moneybox" Saturday , Radio 4 .
They discussed the 10p tax band and described last weeks "U-Turn" and how many of the 5 million - plus would benefit .
Have a listen ! I think they concluded it was about 300,000 - maybe .
I could be wrong - please let me know if I am .

I have been convinced since GB's activities last week that there has been no U- Turn - nothing has changed . It was merely a rather cruel trick