Is the TV Licence fee worth it? Poll results/discussion

queen_of_leon

all the tvl pays for is for sending hoards of tv chefs to exotic locations to show us how they can cook shellfish on a beach!!

...and for funding andrew lloyd-webber's auditioning process for his many musicals! we should get a share of his royalties!!

magyar

Defiant wrote: »

I answered this question and explained how advertising worked. I also explained that you get wholesale cheaper when you sell more which in turn gets you more customers. This all in all means you don't pay for ITV

OK, let me do your work for you and see if I understand your argument.

Let's imagine you create two companies from scratch, Smith Ltd and Jones Ltd, both of whom sell identical products - let's say detergents. They both agree contracts with wholesalers who charge them £10m per year (50p a bottle of detergent), and they estimate their sales will bring in £20m per year at a price of £1 per bottle which, after tax and other costs, gives them a net profit of £2m per annum.

Both companies advertise in various places, but Smith Ltd also decides to advertise on ITV, at a cost of, say, £1m a year.

As a result of spending this extra £1m a year, Smith Ltd gets more customers than Jones Ltd. As a result, at the end of the year, Smith Ltd's sales have actually brought in £21m whereas Jones Ltd's sales have brought in £20m. Both companies have made the same profit, but Smith Ltd have more customers.

So next year, Smith Ltd can go to the wholesaler and tell them that because they sell more than Jones Ltd, they should get a better price. This price reduction is in turn passed onto the consumer.

Is this your logic?

Defiant_3

queen_of_leon wrote: »

all the tvl pays for is for sending hoards of tv chefs to exotic locations to show us how they can cook shellfish on a beach!!

...and for funding andrew lloyd-webber's auditioning process for his many musicals! we should get a share of his royalties!!

As you can see those who enjoy you subsidising their viewing habits aren't really interested. They'll keep pushing this off topic because they don't have any real argument to keep forcing you to contribute towards their entertainment

magyar wrote: »

Let's imagine

:rolleyes:

magyar

Defiant wrote: »

As you can see those who enjoy you subsidising their viewing habits aren't really interested. They'll keep pushing this off topic because they don't have any real argument to keep forcing you to contribute towards their entertainment



:rolleyes:

Any chance that YOU can get on topic again? :rolleyes:

magyar

Defiant wrote: »

I replied to someone talking about the subject at hand and then added a note for the troll who keeps rabbiting on about adverts because that's all the "person" has in the BBC TV Licence's defense

You know I get the feeling a child in Cyprus is crying because people here are fedup of paying for the mighty BBC

I think we all know who's the troll here.

Defiant_3

magyar wrote: »

I think we all know who's the troll here.

Hmm I'm trying to keep to the subject at hand and you've gone through tunes of pages of "Well I don't like adverts and I think they cost me even though I don't have a clue what I'm talking about". Now please don't try denying this because that is what you're defense comes down to and you have said you don't have a clue about it. Now please either start a new thread or try keeping to the topic at hand. I shouldn't have to keep telling you this is regarding the BBC TV Licence (your employer) and not commercial TV. ITV wont send people to my house and threaten to fine me while your mates at the beeb will.

magyar

I am keeping to the topic at hand. It's not hard. It seems perfectly reasonable to me to challenge the validity of your argument that ITV is free, because if that argument is wrong, then you have no grounds for suggesting that you shouldn't fund the fact I want to watch BBC and you don't.

I have said I don't understand what you've tried to explain, not because I'm stupid but because you didn't explain it fully.

Despite repeated requests, you refuse to clarify your explanation.

I have even suggested what I think you mean, but you refused to comment on this and simply continued your rant.

So I ask again, who is the troll?

Defiant_3

magyar wrote: »

I am keeping to the topic at hand. It's not hard. It seems perfectly reasonable to me to challenge the validity of your argument that ITV is free, because if that argument is wrong, then you have no grounds for suggesting that you shouldn't fund the fact I want to watch BBC and you don't.

Look we both know it's not in your interest to admit that you are wrong so why not just agree to disagree. The only person you are fooling by repeating this over and over is yourself.

magyar wrote: »

So I ask again, who is the troll?

I think we know because I can't see you dropping this. Keeping it off the subject of the TV Licence is something all BBC employee's do and I talk as someone who's come across alot

magyar

Defiant wrote: »

Look we both know it's not in your interest to admit that you are wrong so why not just agree to disagree. The only person you are fooling by repeating this over and over is yourself.

OK. I agree we disagree.

Defiant wrote: »

I think we know because I can't see you dropping this. Keeping it off the subject of the TV Licence is something all BBC employee's do and I talk as someone who's come across alot

Tell you what. Let's keep it completely ON topic.

Is the Licence Fee worth it?

Yes. In my opinion.
No. In your opinion.

There we are. Anything else is clear off-topic, which includes

- threatening behaviour by the BBC
- bias by the BBC
- not liking the way people phrase something
- accusing people of trolling
- not liking having your quotes edited (common in this forum)

.... etc. etc.

So we might as well stop here.

Defiant_3

magyar wrote: »

Tell you what. Let's keep it completely ON topic.

Is the Licence Fee worth it?

Yes. In my opinion.
No. In your opinion.

I'm with the MAJORITY of people in this country who say it isn't & that includes this forum as the poll shows.

magyar wrote: »

There we are. Anything else is clear off-topic, which includes

- threatening behaviour by the BBC
- bias by the BBC

Those things are directly linked because we know who funds it

magyar wrote: »

- not liking having your quotes edited (common in this forum)

Quoting someone and then changing what they've said in their quote isn't common on forums & I speak as someone who's mod/administrated them since 96

magyar wrote: »

- accusing people of trolling

Cap seems to fit after all you just admitted we agree to disagree and then move onto this crap :rolleyes: now please enough already