Student Loan for 2 children at uni at same time

poet123

I certainly never said your mother didnt work hard,I was answering the subsequent poster who was stating that those with money were moaners. I think you have a slight chip on your shoulder.

My kids pay £3,000 each in tuition not the £1100 you paid.

I understand that not all absent parents will pay up voluntarily,my point is that they should be forced to by deductions at source.

We bring our kids up as a couple, and even if we seperated my husband would still want to support his kids,and in the event he didn't he should be forced to,rather than expect other taxpayers to do so.

Lokolo

poet123 wrote: »

I certainly never said your mother didnt work hard,I was answering the subsequent poster who was stating that those with money were moaners. I think you have a slight chip on your shoulder.

My kids pay £3,000 each in tuition not the £1100 you paid.

I understand that not all absent parents will pay up voluntarily,my point is that they should be forced to by deductions at source.

We bring our kids up as a couple, and even if we seperated my husband would still want to support his kids,and in the event he didn't he should be forced to,rather than expect other taxpayers to do so.

This is my first year. I paid £3000. I owe the government £3000 in tuition fees. Your son/daughter, will owe £2000.

And yes I agree, the absent parent should be forced to pay but with everything, theres ways around it so they don't, and its unfair on those parents to suffer because of the crap system.

poet123

Why will my kids only owe £2000 not £3000?

You have posted on another couple of threads that your loan is going straight into an ISA,and that your"loaded grandparents" are paying for food and housing,or that the other option would be to borrow off your mother.

So TBH I hardly think you are the typical student struggling to survive,nor are you the typical child of divorced parents,nor it would seem is your mother in the dire straights you at first portrayed.

So,it would seem that you have not actually got a lot to complain about, thus proving the previous poster correct in his assumption that those with money are the ones who moan loudest!!!!.

Lokolo

poet123 wrote: »

Why will my kids only owe £2000 not £3000?

You have posted on another couple of threads that your loan is going straight into an ISA,and that your"loaded grandparents" are paying for food and housing,or that the other option would be to borrow off your mother.

So TBH I hardly think you are the typical student struggling to survive,nor are you the typical child of divorced parents,nor it would seem is your mother in the dire straights you at first portrayed.

So,it would seem that you have not actually got a lot to complain about, thus proving the previous poster correct in his assumption that those with money are the ones who moan loudest!!!!.

I never said I was a struggling student....?

I was getting my point across as I am sure there are students who aren't lucky enough to have rich grandparents, where as the original poster was complaining about parents that are divorced get it all, whereas in fact this isn't the case.

And I think the previous poster was making a point that the richest people complain about now getting more money, whereas I was complaining about the fact you are judging people by the status of their parents.

EDIT:

And students from this year get a £1000 refund on the student tuition fees after completing their first year.

poet123

Re read the second para of your original post......the one where you conclude with "I don't moan because money is tight"......

It is also a little breathtaking that you state people over 18 should be making their own way,in view of your financial dependence on your grandaparents. In fact for a lesson in hypocricy re read your post 7.

I am not judging anyone by the status of their parents,merely saying that parents remain parents regardless of whether they remain married and such contribute based on income despite living apart.

I am not sure what point you are making re richest people complaining as I dont understand your comment.

If this is your first year why will you not get your tuition fees back?if my kids will?(one of whom is also in their first year)

Lokolo

poet123 wrote: »

Re read the second para of your original post......the one where you conclude with "I don't moan because money is tight"......

I am not judging anyone by the status of their parents,merely saying that parents remain parents regardless of whether they remain married and such contribute based on income despite living apart.

I am not sure what point you are making re richest people complaining as I dont understand your comment.

If this is your first year why will you not get your tuition fees back?if my kids will?(one of whom is also in their first year)

Ah looking back it seems it is someone else that has students starting this year. Sorry. (Basically they're changing the rules, grants will be given upto £60k of household income for new students and new students will also get given b ack £1k of their tuition fees when they complete each year of course).

And yeh I totally agree with you, parents should stay parents no matter what, but this isn't the case and personally I find it unfair if the government said no support for single parents.

Its the same with teenage pregnancies and then getting council houses, I personally find this completely unfair, they were stupid and yet they get priority over those that have been waiting for years, but then again they are going to bring up the child and I feel as though they should get support.

Absolutely agree; that's part of the rationale of the switch to loans that funding moves from the parent to the student.

Why is it always the people with money who moan about the cost of things?

The thread start was pointing out that household income is £50-£55k and complaining that they don't get extra support because both children are at university at same time.

But you were saying its complete rubbish that both parents don't contribute and they shouldn't get grants etc, whereas I don't think mothers would agree with this, if they can't get the father to pay why should their children suffer because of it?

I totally agree, the absent parent should pay but the case it they don't always and I wouldn't want the parent bringing up the child, or the child who wants to go to university to suffer.

Helix

Where does it say you get £1000 of tuition fees back? I knew the grants were changing but I never saw anything about getting £1000 back on tuition fees.

There is no mention of it on this page: http://www.studentfinancedirect.co.uk/portal/page?_pageid=53,1262669&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL
Which explains the help available for next year.

poet123

Lokolo wrote: »

Ah looking back it seems it is someone else that has students starting this year. Sorry. (Basically they're changing the rules, grants will be given upto £60k of household income for new students and new students will also get given b ack £1k of their tuition fees when they complete each year of course).

And yeh I totally agree with you, parents should stay parents no matter what, but this isn't the case and personally I find it unfair if the government said no support for single parents.

Its the same with teenage pregnancies and then getting council houses, I personally find this completely unfair, they were stupid and yet they get priority over those that have been waiting for years, but then again they are going to bring up the child and I feel as though they should get support.



The thread start was pointing out that household income is £50-£55k and complaining that they don't get extra support because both children are at university at same time.

But you were saying its complete rubbish that both parents don't contribute and they shouldn't get grants etc, whereas I don't think mothers would agree with this, if they can't get the father to pay why should their children suffer because of it?

I totally agree, the absent parent should pay but the case it they don't always and I wouldn't want the parent bringing up the child, or the child who wants to go to university to suffer.

You are totally missing the point and choosing not to address the hypocrisy in your first post.:T

I said that absent parents should be made to pay,not that grants/lons should be withdrawn/not avaialble to the children of single parents. I dislike that term anyway, because many of these are not single parents but parents not living together,there is a difference, which should be addressed in law.

My end point was that you, as a student, who is being assesssed on a family income of 24k,having an absent father who should be made to contribute,being supported to the tune of 5k by wealthy grandaparents and thus being able to bank the student loan, come on here to argue that you are the loser under the scheme.:rolleyes:

iI dont think so.

My 2 kids receive n help due to our income,but we pay tuition and rent,they pay food and other expenses. So they will leave Uni in debt,not with their loans accruing intrest in an ISA.:mad:

Who is worse off,who is the system loaded in favour of?

Lokolo

I wasn't trying to address it as though I was a loser, but there are others, such as yourself, who are allowed grants and extra support (I think thats what you were saying in last post?), whereas the person who started the thread was moaning at the fact she has to support 2 kids at university (as you do) but with their income of £50-£55k, which to me is completely nonsense.

As with the further post about single parents getting 'everything' which I also am completely against as this usually isn't the case, but obviously there are ways around the system.

And also, your kids get their tuition fee paid for them if I understand what you post is saying, where as I don't, so I am in debt in fact, I don't get everything paid for me, I still have a partime job and will go back to my summer job when I go back home to put more money into savings etc.

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Just so you know, application for student loans are opening on Wednesday for 08/09 according to direct.gov.uk

poet123

Quick post,

You have misundrstood me.

We earn more than the amount mentioned in the first post between us,so my kids get no help at all. We pay full rent,tuition,food,travel.books for 2 kids and will for a 3rd when he goes.

They have part time jobs.

Because we are a family unit we are assessed on the income coming in,that is not right as regardless of where I or my husband live we would /shouldstill contribute,and I am sure many do,but this income is not counted Therefore the kids of separated parents are the financial winners.