Campaign against fuel prices rise

madfrenchgirl

Hi Martin, (and anyone else)

I must congratulate you on your campaign for stopping advertising debts to kids.

I must admit those adverts !!!!!! me all the time, at any time anywhere they are broadcasted.

it inspired me about something: the other i fille dup my tank at tesco's (the cheapest fuel provider in my area). And I could not help gasping at the price rise: up 5p!!!

This is an outrage! I can understand this cou ntry needs taxes to run on. i am not asgainst being taxed or anything BUT I do mind about the way they are collected.

Take for example someone who lives on minimum wage, every penny counts so take 5px40l= 2 pounds more per tank. if this person needs to do at least 1 hour drive back and forth (about 45 miles) his tank might last 400 miles (if the car is young enought o be efficient). 400/45x2= 4.5 days, not even a week! number of working days int he year : 240...

so...

240/4.5= 53.5 tanks a year... those 53.5 tanks x £2 = 107 pounds

I am sorry but taxing indirectly is disgusting.

If you are someone earning 30k, this does not really matter at the end of the day. but when you are skint every penny counts. this way of collecting taxes is appalling as it renders poor people even poorer while it harldly affects the rich ones.

Also, I have an uproar against the fact that the roads are in an aqpplling state. Aint the fuel taxes supposed to go into maintaining our orads? apparently not!

I live ina n ex-council estate where the roads are so filled up with potholes that sometimes the steering wheel would come off my hands if i did not have a tight grip on it. you can now see the old blocks of cement they stuck together as the tarmac is gone.

So i propose we circulate a petition for our roads to be maintained and surfaced properly, by signing at the end and adding the location of the roads we think need redoing!

chris73

I'm just as frustrated as you, and I agree 100% with what you are saying but I doubt it'll make any difference, politicians will always do just what they like whatever party they belong to. Accept the fact that fuel will soon be £1 a litre, and why will they charge that? - because they know they can and we'll ultimately accept it.

madfrenchgirl

Are we some kind of sheeps?

I am sorry but it might be true that they do whatever they want in the end, but if you dont make yourself heard, how do you know for sure?

Labour, as I understand its deifinition, is menat to help people and move forward towards a fairer system for everyone.

Tories are just here to keep the rich happy by declaring that the balance between poor and rich will eventually reduce itself naturally.

I am sorry but what kind of government do we have and have we had for the past 8 years?

Labour only seems to be keeping the rich happy!

Take their stupid congestion charge for example: £1.30 a mile!!! There is no way on earth I could afford that and I doubt they will bring down the prices of fuel. nay other way, poor who have to use the M25 or other motorways are screwed.

BUT rich people will not really care, it will impact them eventually, but when you can afford a brand new BMW with all the services and stuff I think you can also afford that stupid charge.

On the other side, the governement is authorising 24h boozing and gambling!!! Which they will earn tax on as well.

MMM

Staline used to say religion is the opium of the people... and he was putting himself as a god so people would forget how harsh the system was.

lemme think

this "labour" government is taxing us anyway it can. Now even wanting to tax us for using roads that we are already paying for thru fuel tax and roadtax. And they will allow us to binge drink and gamble 24h....

Feels like to me they are bleeding us as much as they can without killing us and injecting us with drugs so we can forget about the situation and be docile little lambs.

scheming_gypsy

maybe you still live in mud huts in France but you're way off the mark with some of your comments regarding what people earn and not noticing money going out.
I earn around 27k and have to pay for petrol, food, mortgage yada yada blah blah blah and at the end of the day i don't have a massive amount left over.
If people can afford to buy a big Merc then they still have to pay for it. If people are earning a lot more money than somebody else they buy a bigger house, that costs more money, then the bills are higher etc etc. The same with the cars, servicing costs more, tyres cost more.
earning and spending is relative.

pug_in_a_bed

I believe petrol has risen in aprt because of the Iraq war and problems with oil supplies in general which also relate to the incredible rise in producitivy in developing countries such as India and also China. Oil resereves are at an incredible low at the moment for these reasons, probably not likely to get better for a good while.

Unfortunately, there isn't enough to go around at the moment, hence the gold price! I think its time we all started with the vegetable oil!

valiant23

smam21 wrote:

I believe petrol has risen in aprt because of the Iraq war and problems with oil supplies in general which also relate to the incredible rise in producitivy in developing countries such as India and also China. Oil resereves are at an incredible low at the moment for these reasons, probably not likely to get better for a good while.

Unfortunately, there isn't enough to go around at the moment, hence the gold price! I think its time we all started with the vegetable oil!

The majority of oil produced is (I think) by OPEC, a cartel which controls the output from their oil fields to keep the price high. If the world keeps upping their demand, OPEC can slow down production to extract the max. amount of profit. If the industrial nations suffer a recession and production slows down, so will demand, and then OPEC see this and reduce prices accordingly.

As regards veggie oil, and old chippy fat, I agree, think it's a great idea -recycling and all that. One problem is the Govt. care more about the revenue from petrol duty and taxes, and so its illegal.

'Great' British Govt.:rolleyes:

Rex_Mundi

Sorry to disagree, but the OP has got it completely wrong about the recent petrol price rises.

The price increases are nothing to do whatsoever with the government raising the fuel duty. In fact, the planned increase in fuel duty has been delayed by the government precisely because fuel prices are already at record highs.

The reason that fuel is so expensive is because the oil price has risen to record levels. This has more to do with OPEC than the government.

I hate the increases in price as much as anyone, but certainly in this case you can't blame Blair and co.

scheming_gypsy

we can still blame them for the amount of tax on fuel though

Rex_Mundi

we can still blame them for the amount of tax on fuel though

True. I'm completely with you on this one.

chris73

Are we some kind of sheeps

To some extent yes. Everytime the price of something increases, we whinge about it amongst ourselves but rarely anything practical gets done. The price of fuel could increase to £2 a litre tomorrow and there would be a public outcry and newspaper fodder for a few days, but there wouldn't be anyform of mass protest about it......just the usual 30 people at stanlow.

I am sorry but what kind of government do we have and have we had for the past 8 years?

Why stop at 8 years?, lets go back even further. This country has been dying for decades. Can you honestly say that Uk industry has been booming since the 60's?. Do you own a British Washing Machine, Do you drive a British Car?, Where was the computer you are using manufactured?.

Let's face it, the two main parties have done sod all for this country and they've both been in and had their chance. My vote would go to the Government which could make British Industry as great and as proud as it was many years ago when the Japanese came over here to visit British Leyland in order to find out how to make good cars!.

When the vast majority of the UK and foreign countries are driving British cars, when our call centres are back in the UK, and when the old apprenticeship method of learning a trade is re-introduced, and fuel is in line with prices across the rest of the World then i'll agree that we have a decent government.

No one party has been solely responsible, but non of them have actively done anything to change the decline in industry or address the fuel taxation issue either, so,in other words they are both equally to blame and as greedy as each other when it comes to getting and squandering YOUR money.

Faith_2

scheming_gypsy wrote:

maybe you still live in mud huts in France but you're way off the mark with some of your comments regarding what people earn and not noticing money going out.

Mud huts??That is not nice! I live in the North East of England. Every week I buy the local newspaper and look at the selection of jobs on offer. Many of them offer salaries under 20K. Many under 15K. You should think yourself lucky to earn 27K.

The difference between high earners and low earners is choice. Nobody forces you to buy a big Merc if you can afford it. You make that choice. Don't come crying if it costs money. You could have chosen an old banger.

A person on minimum wage doesn't have that choice! Petrol prices affect us in many other ways than just filling up our cars, and we don't have a choice as we all need food, clothing, etc.

In the North East we don't live in mud huts either! And the OP, I think she lives in the South of England.