Advice needed re JSA

YorkshireBoy

krisskross wrote:

You talk through your hat Yorkshire boy and are rude and gratuitously insulting to boot.

I speak as I find - and I haven't had a rebuke from a board guide for doing so (yet!). Ring any bells?...

krisskross wrote:

Not getting at you at all somebodyhasmyuser name but the income figures you give, and I assume the wtc is a weekly amount as the other things you quote are,add up to just under £300, so I would expect that you would be required to pay rent and council tax. I am not envious at all but you do appear to be getting more benefit than the State pension my husband gets after 50 years contributions.

Fran wrote:

If you read all the thread you will find that someone.. fully expects to pay rent & council tax but is not sure of exact entitlement. The benefits (Child Benefit & Tax Credits) are for 2 adults and a child and both adults are working so your comment about pension wasn't helpful.

Any more skeletons?

krisskross

So what is with you yorkshireboy? Do you do this to everyone, sort through any previous posts like an odious snoop so you can post them out of context to try and prove your nasty little points?

viktory

Gosh, what a hoo haa over a simple query!

Let me clarify a few facts. First if/when I move I have no intention of doing so with no money at all in my pocket. I am saving hard and plan on having at least enough money for rent, council tax, food etc for as long as possible. If/when I move I am doing it via mutual exchange. Therefore I have no idea when I will move. It will be when the right house, in the right area comes up. Then it will happen (hopefully) within 2 months or so. This leaves me very little time to be looking for a job 100 miles away, without transport, whilst working notice full time in the job I already have. This is why I am sensibly saving so that myself and my husband can support ourselves and our families. Both my husband and myself will make looking for a job a priortity. We will take an job we can get, no matter how low paid.

However, should the worst happen and we spend all our savings on living and bill and are mightily unsuccessful at getting a job, would we be entitled to any assistance? A simple query, not a suggestion that I am going to move 100 miles away, kick up my heels and spend the rest of my life supping cider and watching day time TV whilst merrily bleeding the state dry.

Living on benefits is not easy. Quite rightly, the Government (or should I say the tax payer!) gives people only enough to live on. There is no money for luxuries. As I say, that is how it should be, but I have no intention on spending my life in poverty on benefits. My husband and I work hard, support ourselves and our children and are proud of that.

Finally, as far as I recall Contributions based JSA is actually an entitlement, not a benefit. It is based on the number of NI contributions I (and my husband) have paid.

I quite like Yorkshire Boy's suggstion about the B&B and spends though. I think I'll ask for a hotel suite though. Not a B&B. Girl's got to have some standards! :-)

YorkshireBoy

krisskross wrote:

So what is with you yorkshireboy? Do you do this to everyone, sort through any previous posts like an odious snoop so you can post them out of context to try and prove your nasty little points?

Check my posts. I think you'll find I've given as much to to these boards as I've taken out - and been thanked for it!

My "beef" is with the abuse of benefits, it wasn't with you at all. You decided to initiate this little distraction by choosing to "personally" insult me for my views. I simply researched my attacker - that's all.

Let's leave it there shall we?

krisskross

I fail to see where I have insulted you. I remonstrated with you for your response to Viktory, perhaps you owe her an apology?
And there I will happily leave it....

viktory

I would like to thank all those that have offered help and advice on this matter. After all, it is my understanding that that is exactly the point of forums such as these.

I do think it is a shame that people like Yorkshire Boy can bandy inflammatory, accusatory remarks such as "benefit abuse" about. He is far too quick to judge, without being in receipt of all the facts and I think an attitude like his could quite easily put people off posting their questions, especially when posting about delicate issues such as debts and benefits.

A bit more understanding and compassion and a little less aggression wouldn't go amiss!

BenefitMaster

viktory wrote:

I am seriously considering moving from the area that I currently live to a new area approximately 100 miles away. Obviously both myself and my huband will have to give up our jobs. We both work full time and claim no benefits at present.

We will be living in either a Housing Association or council property. My question is, will I be entitled to claim JSA, HB & CT benefit for myself, husband and 2 children or will we have to wait 16 weeks as we have been deemed to have intentionally left our jobs?

Unless you can demonstrate to an Adjudication Officer that it was wholly necessary for you to move house and leave your job to do so, you will not be entitled to ANY benefit for 26 weeks.

Based on what you have said, and my experience as an AO, I would not allow you benefit, and would reject your hardship claim for a further 13 weeks.

In real terms, you would have no money, INCLUDING housing benefit and Council Tax Benefit, for 13 weeks, then would receive £25 a week or the next 13 weeks.

IN the meantime, to remain entitled to sign on, you would have to deomnstrate that, despite receiving no benefit due to Sanction, you were, nonetheless actively seekign work, and meeting your JSAg - if you did not, even by the minutest amount, I would close your claim.

Sorry if you don't like this but I am just being honest - that's what the ruleas are for

GraemeB

I think BenefitMaster is slightly over the top in his reply.

Firstly if you make a claim to JSA benefit would be put into payment pending a decision being made by the Decision Maker (DM). If the DM decides that you left your employment without good reason then the DM can impose a sanction of up to 26 wks. It is impossible to say whether the DM will impose a sanction or for how long the sanction would be applied (up to 26 wks) as we do not have the full facts, also as a member of a couple you might well be entitled to hardship payments (which would be more than £25 as only your personal element of the benefit is affected) and you would also still receive CTC for your children.

jenpoptab

I agree GraemeB (look at my earlier reply), I think that you should check with local JCP/DWP when you move. Remember claim will only be taken with 1st date of contact, so don't leave it when you move.

BenefitMaster

GraemeB wrote:

I think BenefitMaster is slightly over the top in his reply.

OK, I re-read and see that the OP has children. As a result it is reasonable for one of them to not work. The remainder of my post is an accurate interpreatation of the current regulations apart from the level of hardship.

His/her claim would go to Adjudication (Decision Makers) immediately, unless there was a pressing reason to allow the claim in the interim, and so no payments would be made at first in any case. In my case, the local DM's were Fareham, who were not known for their liberal interpreatation of the regulations.