Advice needed re JSA

viktory

Hello. I have been lurking for a while and now have a question.

I am seriously considering moving from the area that I currently live to a new area approximately 100 miles away. Obviously both myself and my huband will have to give up our jobs. We both work full time and claim no benefits at present.

We will be living in either a Housing Association or council property. My question is, will I be entitled to claim JSA, HB & CT benefit for myself, husband and 2 children or will we have to wait 16 weeks as we have been deemed to have intentionally left our jobs?

We do not intend remaining on benefits for long, but will obviously need the support until we find jobs.

Thanks in advance :j

YorkshireBoy

viktory wrote:

Hello. I have been lurking for a while and now have a question.

I am seriously considering moving from the area that I currently live to a new area approximately 100 miles away. Obviously both myself and my huband will have to give up our jobs. We both work full time and claim no benefits at present.

We will be living in either a Housing Association or council property. My question is, will I be entitled to claim JSA, HB & CT benefit for myself, husband and 2 children or will we have to wait 16 weeks as we have been deemed to have intentionally left our jobs?

We do not intend remaining on benefits for long, but will obviously need the support until we find jobs.

Thanks in advance :j

I'd written a long post berating your desire to SPONGE off the state, but lost it whilst trying to quote from your first post on these forums...

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=58746&page=2&pp=10 post#18

So, here is the short answer...

I sincerely hope you cannot claim anything!

krisskross

Why the venom Yorkshireboy?
So the OP has been a bankrupt, looks as if she has managed to come out the other side and is now making a new life for herself and family. do you have a problem with that or should she have a giant letter B tattooed on her forehead and be made to wear a hairshirt for the rest of her life?
You have no idea what circumstances are behind the moving issue,could be something with her children, perhaps bullying, in bad company.....all sorts of things.

viktory

Thanks for the useful information Yorkshireboy! Very helpful, it's people like you on this site that makes it all worthwhile!

For your information, Krisskross is quite correct. I am moving for a very personal reasons and have no choice but to leave my job.

I am a discharged bankrupt and I refuse to be ashamed. Declaring myself bankrupt was one of the hardest things I have ever done and was a course of action taken only after a great deal of thought. Again, you do not know all the facts and are therefore in no position to comment with quite such venom.

I have worked for most of my adult life and have paid taxes. For me, being on benefits is only ever what it is supposed to be - a bit of help for the least time possible. Once I find gainful employment again I am quite sure that the taxes I will pay, that my husband will pay and that my children will eventually pay will amply repay any benefits I might receive in the short term. Not only that, but those same taxes will also pay for people that claim long term - ie year and years. So on that note, I feel no guilt.

My original question still stands.

CIS

from bits I've read before, you can only claim if you where forced to resign for due to 'just cause' ie employer made it impossible to continue in the job, otherwis eyou intentionally made yourself jobless

CIS

found this;

LEAVING WORK


People leaving work are treated as having made themselves voluntarily unemployed. This applies if you resign, walk out or are sacked for misconduct. It doesn't apply to redundancy, end of contracts or on medical grounds (which can include workplace stress), or where you can show good cause (e.g. unfair dismissal).

Otherwise you are automatically classed as voluntarily unemployed. Unless you can disprove it, you face a sanction of up to 26 weeks without any benefit at all. Your case is referred to an Adjudication Officer who decides if it's fair and, if so, how long the sanction applies for. They will write to your employers for their side of the story. During this period you will be on no benefit, or reduced benefit in cases of hardship (see PENALTIES). Stinks doesn't it?

Spendless

Hi

In 1998 I was single, just discovered I was pregnant and decided to resign from my job to live 50 miles away with my then boyfriend (now husband). I had looked for a job previously in that area (limited as I didn't have any transport to get me to that area and no paid time off from the job I had to attend interviews) with no joy.

I applied for JSA contribution based (I had worked full-time for 14 years and claimed JSA once before for 4 weeks when I was made redundant). Though they paid the JSA my claim was investigated as a previous poster has said.

In my case they decided to continue to pay the JSA.

Hope you sort something out.

Best wishes

YorkshireBoy

viktory wrote:

Thanks for the useful information Yorkshireboy! Very helpful, it's people like you on this site that makes it all worthwhile!

I didn't post it to help you. If there's one thing that annoys me it's abuse of benefit. Benefit should be just that - a benefit. It should be given to the needy - not just because you fancy a new life somewhere - and as we don't know the "reasons" you have for wanting to move, I still hold this view.

You are deliberately resigning TWO positions, and then asking for not only JSA, but a whole host of other benefits. Have you researched the job market in your new area? Are jobs plentiful? Have you any transferrable skills - perhaps a trade or profession? Why not apply for positions in advance of your move? Or are your "problems" so severe that you need to make your move quickly?

viktory wrote:

I am a discharged bankrupt and I refuse to be ashamed. Declaring myself bankrupt was one of the hardest things I have ever done and was a course of action taken only after a great deal of thought. Again, you do not know all the facts and are therefore in no position to comment with quite such venom.

I can tell you refuse to be ashamed. The wording of your other post was very "flippant" - one such example is given below...

viktory wrote:

I have had to accept I will never get a mortgage, but hey! Who wants to owe in excess of £100,000?

This flippancy runs through your other post. You were almost boasting how easy it was "cos I wasn't working", "cos I was on benefits", "the interview was easy", etc.

For your information, I know all about the effects of bankruptcy - my own brother-in-law was discharged only this April.

Finally, the real experts in all of this are the benefits people themselves. All you will get on this forum is "opinion". Why not contact the benefits office directly (the one 100 miles away), and tell them you'd like them to provide a month or two's B & B (and spends) while you look for work in their area!

sarahlouise210

ooooooohhhh Yorkshireboy - I think you are maybe going a little over the top here. I also do not like benefit abuse but there is no clear indication that this is the case (except for the minor fact that the original question was would they have to wait 16 weeks (4 MONTHS) until benefit kicked in! I think the original post regarding bancruptcy was posted in a way to make it seem easy not because it is easy so we should all try it but because Viktory was trying to make others who were experiencing problems realise that it was not all doom and gloom. Viktory.. I would have thought it would have made sense to get a job before you go.. even filll in jobs while you are looking for the ideal position - 16 weeks should be long enough to find work!I realise that you will need to pay all your bills while you are looking for work but even a temp job could get you through the bad patch. Why go into it with the expectation that benefits will be necessary when you can get a job (any job while youre looking) and if its low paid you will qualify for additional help qite legitimately.

krisskross

Yes I agree with you that benefit should only be given to the needy, but how do we decide who is classed as needy and who is classed as bringing it upon themselves? You obviously have very clear vision, albeit a bit tunnel. So would you suggest that a young woman who elects to have a child that she cannot support on her own should be denied benefit because she has chosen her course of action and it is just that she "fancies" having a child? While we are about it let's refuse benefit to anyone with an illness that they may have contributed to themselves by smoking or eating too much. You talk through your hat Yorkshire boy and are rude and gratuitously insulting to boot.

jenpoptab

Anyone can claim Jsa straightaway as long as they are available and actively seeking employment. It is up to a decision maker to decide if you had good cause for leaving your job, depending on their decision they will decide whether you would lose any benefit. A sanction can run for anything up to 26 weeks. If you left it 16 weeks before you claim Jsa you may still be sanctioned as Jsa look at the last job you have had in last six months, in other words if you left it more than 26 wks before claiming they can't sanction you as 26 weeks has passed- i.e the maximum length of sanction, hope this makes sense. If you leave it 16 weeks and then apply, as it's within 26 wks of last job ending they still have to look at leaving voluntarily. If you want more info pm me.