JLR Ingenium engines.

Mgman1965

Would love a new JLR Defender and know about all the issues with the Ingenium engine.

I would be leasing/PCP it if I got one, so if the engine karks it as many do, who's very expensive problem would it be, mine, or the lease company's ?

My research says JLR's 20k service interval is way to long and to be "safe" you should service every 5 to 6k, now I assume the lease company wouldn't pay for 5k services if the official is 20k (so would be done at 20k).

So would it be my problem if the engine self destructs (won't touch one), or lease company's (would consider if not my problem and bill) ?

paul_c123

Lease would probably be new enough to be covered under warranty. But it would be you who would need to progress any issues with your local LR dealer.

jaybeetoo

If it’s on a PCP and outside the warranty period then it’s your problem.

daveyjp

Not up to speed with modern LR engines, but do they still advise 2 years/up to' 20,000 miles with the system monitoring use and engine oil condition and advising when a service is due?

Grumpy_chap

Would love a new JLR Defender and know about all the issues with the Ingenium engine.

I would be leasing/PCP it if I got one, so if the engine karks it as many do, who's very expensive problem would it be, mine, or the lease company's ?

My research says JLR's 20k service interval is way to long and to be "safe" you should service every 5 to 6k, now I assume the lease company wouldn't pay for 5k services if the official is 20k (so would be done at 20k).

So would it be my problem if the engine self destructs (won't touch one), or lease company's (would consider if not my problem and bill) ?

Will it be a lease or a PCP?

It might be material as to whose problem it is.

Mgman1965

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82180627#Comment_82180627

Whichever wouldn't make it my problem.

Grumpy_chap

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82180651#Comment_82180651

Yes, it would.

There is a fundamental difference between lease and PCP.

With lease, the car never belongs to you and you may have a package that includes servicing. It can be possible to walk away at the end without liability even if the car is immobile because of mechanical failure.

With PCP, you are buying the car on a modified form of HP so you retain all the obligations and liabilities of owning the car. You won't be able to simply walk away at the end of the car is immobile because of mechanical failure.

daveyjp

Its your problem when it develops a fault, goes into limp mode just at the point you are about to enter a dual carriageway on a blind bend and the next vehicle around the corner is an HGV.

It is then your problem waiting for breakdown to turn up, diagnosing the problem, waiting for a breakdown truck, waiting for a courtesy car, the hassle of not having your car etc etc

That was my JLR experience!

Mildly_Miffed

As ever, the financing mode is irrelevant.

If the car is under warranty - and it's covered by the warranty - then it's the warranty provider's problem.
If the car is not under warranty - or the problem is not covered by the warranty - then it's YOUR problem.

It is never the financier's problem. They MIGHT provide a little more clout (via an additional path to the supplying dealer) IF it becomes a consumer rights issue.

Just service the thing every 10k miles, and make sure it gets enough proper use to do regular DPF regens. The issues appear to start with failed or missing regens leading to oil dilution and contamination.

jimjames

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It's your problem if you're without a car waiting for the dealer to sort it

tom192

Is it just me that's scratching their head? You have read up how terrible the engine is but are still considering one?

Buy something else and not have the constant doubt that it's going to let you down?