Information needed about ev battery

born_again

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82114670#Comment_82114670

Given 100,000 + charging points & sub 8,000 fuel stations. Easier to find a charging point.

You mention lugging a battery around when using engine, what about the 75% of the time you are lugging around a engine, gearbox & fuel while in EV mode?

shinytop

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82115020#Comment_82115020

Or when a full EV is lugging around 300kg of unused battery 75% of the time. I think EVs and PHEVs are in about equal last place in the 'lugging around least' comparison. Pure ICE cars are, of course, the winners.

Kia Niro 2021: HEV - 1,490 kg, PHEV - 1,594 kg and EV - 1,812 kg

born_again

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82115251#Comment_82115251

Except EV easily does 4mi/kWh which equals 160 MPG, can hev or phev do that on a regular basis?

I was just pointing out that @chuffinnora mentioned lugging battery around while using ICE, but failed to mention the reverse. Which weighs far more than the battery.🤷‍♀️

ididgetwhereiamtoday

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82114976#Comment_82114976

It boils down to the simplicity of EVs compared to ICE, PHEV etc. Teslas are built from the ground up as only EV, they are not trying to cater for all types like Ford and Stallantis. The phrase Jack of all trades as opposed to Tesla who are Master of one trade comes to mind.

There's a KIA Eniro on Youtube which has done 330,000 miles and is still showing 100% battery health. This was obviously a Taxi so will have been Rapid Charged many times. So it shows KIA also know a thing or 2 about EVs. I have one of these and I'm getting 5 miles per KW in the summer and at least 4.5 miles per KW in the winter.

I don't understand these EVs that only get around 3 miles per KW like the VW IDs and MGs that people report on, its either bad battery management or very poor driving.

QrizB

Teslas are built from the ground up as only EV, they are not trying to cater for all types like Ford and Stallantis.

Also Tesla have been doing this for more than a decade, selling a relatively limited range of cars. They've shaken out most of the problems.

Go back to news reports and blogs from the 20-teens and you'll find Tesla was regularly getting slated for terrible build quality and reliability.

born_again

Tesla poor build quality was when they were being built stateside, as soon as China started building them they were a lot better, panel's gaps even etc. even Germany built ones are better than US ones.

Poor efficiency can be down to right foot & constant high speeds, which is exactly the same as petrol/diesel.

chuffinnora

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82115020#Comment_82115020

Err except you fail to mention the obvious. Its not 100,000 locations. There might be 5, 10, 20 in one place. Far easier to find fuel than an EV charger that is working and economical.

And like I already said, is not about pulling around an ICE engine or EV battery, the PHEV is about convenience. I couldn't even find an EV charger lasy year on holiday.

born_again

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82115554#Comment_82115554

OK,

47,441 charging locations around the UK (source Zap Map)

But how many pumps does the average petrol station have which means far less than 8,000 petrol stations?

Where did you holiday? Even NC 500 Has more than enough

chuffinnora

I couldn't care less how many locations. I've got no interest in paying inflated prices and wasting my time hanging about for the EV the charge. I can do that overnight at home at a fraction of the price.

It is actually around 8000+ petrol stations, not pumps. I don't need a petrol station anywhere I'm going, but I would need an EV charger, at least at stop off points. And thats partly why the vast majority of people are not yet sold on an EV (and cost).

When the battery technology and convenience improves, then of course that changes everything. Until then a full EV is for those who really want one and can afford it.

paul_c123

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82115562#Comment_82115562

The Zap map figures you've quoted aren't correct because they list stuff like people's driveways who are in some kind of club (to share charging out for money), car dealers who have a charger on site, etc etc. There are many which aren't really accessible except in certain situations. Then there's tons which are low/medium speed so basically useless on a long trip.

This seems more accurate:

High-Power Infrastructure Breakdown

• Total High-Power Sites: 7,031 locations hosting rapid (50kW+) or ultra-rapid (150kW+) units.
• Total High-Power Chargers: 29,246 individual rapid and ultra-rapid chargers across those sites.
• Dedicated Charging Hubs: 748 of these locations are large-scale hubs featuring 6 or more high-speed devices together. [1, 2]

from Googling "how many rapid EV charging sites are there in the UK"