non windows laptop?

finbaar

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82117737#Comment_82117737

Vertical integration or system lock-in, it's the same thing. And blaming the Windows machines for being not being compatible with Apple laptops is the wrong way round.

And how does the EU making Apple be more customer friendly means that they are "magic"?

GDB2222

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82118702#Comment_82118702

What do you mean by technically out of support, though? You mean that it’s not getting security updates, don’t you? So, it has unpatched vulnerabilities that are by now well known. That would, at best, severely limit what you can do with the machine.

TheComputerGuru

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82118702#Comment_82118702

For me it's not a question as to whether £300-£400 is affordable. It's whether you want to send perfectly functional (If you install a Linux flavour) to landfill!

chunter

I have an old Windows 98 disk, if they wan that.
Yes, Windows is now at least three OSs sandwiched together, and should be written again from scratch.
But the pace of the security / technology change is one excuse why it won't happen.

Ask the great Messiah that is AI. Maybe it'll build one from scratch.

zagubov

Being into gaming or using windows for work are reasons for sticking to windows.

Switching from one os to another isn't an even symmetrical process. I gather that when people switch systems it's more often from windows to mac than the other way round (and more often to mac than to linux).

People switch from macos to windows less frequently and to linux hardly at all.

If you want to learn from other people's experience (and this being a frugal website) you might consider looking for a secondhand mac which could be cheaper in the long run. You can even run windows software on it if you need to.

TheComputerGuru

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82119581#Comment_82119581

Don't touch Windows 98 with a barge pole if you need to surf the web safety.

TheComputerGuru

Good point I don't know of any Linux distros which are good for gaming.

QrizB

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82120225#Comment_82120225

Steam OS?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SteamOS

TheComputerGuru

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82120236#Comment_82120236

I wasn't aware of that, but it sounds like a good choice if you want to do gaming on a laptop that is NOT supported by M$ that you don't want to part with.

MyRealNameToo

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82118790#Comment_82118790

Thats a weird thought pattern that vertical integration and system lock in are the same thing… so you think Apples "lock in" has only just started and it wasnt a closed system when they used Intel processors and Qualcom modems etc?

Windows is compatible with Apple Laptops, we run VMs booting Windows which run at about 95% the speed they would on bare metal. Its theoretically possible to run on bare metal but the fundamental problem is that Windows expects a page size of 4KB but Apples hardware runs on 16KB and windows being a closed system means its not configurable plus there is then the issue of no drivers having been developed. Linux on the other hand has been tweaked to run on a bare metal M series laptop as once the page size issue is addressed people will take on the challenge of developing drivers.