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shaunyman
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edited 16 September at 10:07AM in Parking tickets, fines & parking

I recently parked in a disabled bay in a retail park to collect my partner who was in one of the stores. She is a Blue Badge holder. As we have more than one car, she always keeps the badge in her handbag so she has it, whichever car she is using. According to my mobile phone I texted her at 3.18pm to say I had arrived. I then entered the store to collect the Blue badge and return to the car within 3 to 4 minutes. Placed the badge on the dash and thought no more about it. A few days later I received the notice to keeper from IPC. The time of issue was 3.20pm. I conclude that the parking attendant watched me enter the store, then took photos of my car and issued the notice during the few minutes I was collecting the blue badge. Clearly I am going to appeal, but what are my rights here? I never expect parking companies to be 'understanding', so I fear they will reject my appeal to boost their profits. Do I have a chance to win?

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  • Gr1pr
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    The NTK PCN letter was not from IPC, so please name the private parking company involved

    Name the retail park too

    Follow plan A in the newbies sticky thread in announcements near the top of the forum and COMPLAIN about it to the Retail Park Management Company ASAP ( or complain about it to the landowner. )

    At the moment any appeal will be rejected, but yes you have a chance to win in court, where a judge would decide

  • tacpot12
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    You could point to the five minute grace period that you are supposed to have on entering a car park. While the grace period is supposed to be available to:

    • Find and read the parking terms and conditions.

    • Locate a payment machine or set up a mobile parking app.
    • Decide whether to stay and pay for parking or leave without being charged.

    Obtaining the Blue Badge that allows parking without payment seems to be within the spirit of the second bullet point. Also, the rules don't mention that you have to remain visible while setting up a mobile parking app. Your reason for walked into the store might have been to get out of the bright sunlight that prevented you seeing your phone screen. The parking attendant can't assume that just because you have entered the store, that you aren't going to pay within five minutes.

    The comments I post are my personal opinion. While I try to check everything is correct before posting, I can and do make mistakes, so always try to check official information sources before relying on my posts.
  • Gr1pr
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    edited 6 August at 11:36AM

    Its a Consideration period ( not a Grace Period. ) , so look at the latest APRIL 2026 Code of Practice regarding Consideration periods, blue badge requirements, collecting valid permits, reasonable adjustment etc

  • shaunyman
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    edited 6 August at 11:02AM

    Apologies. The Parking company is UKCPS. The retail park is Keighley Retail Park BD21 3NU. The shop my partner was in is TKMAXX.

    When you say "at the moment any appeal will be rejected" do you mean that is just the state of the industry and where the PCC can claim their charge was issued within their rules, then they will, and matters of right and wrong are simply ignored?

    I also saw a comment on the forum from someone called Fisherjim. He said in 2023:

    Blue badges are only applicable to on street parking, your instruction book states that.PPC's use them or abuse them to their advantage, in fact you displaying them as a pure courtesy to save them time and money in verifying an entitlement to certain parking advantages, the appeals procedure is allegedly there to cancel wrongly issued invoices but that doesn't make profits for them does it.

    This seems to imply that people may the right to use a disabled bay because of their disability, and not just because they have a badge, but I have not been able to verify this anywhere else.

    I do plan to complain, but not sure if that should be to TKMAXX or to the Retail Park owner who appears to be Essex County Council. Should I complain to both?

    Thanks for you help - Shaun

  • dnpark38
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    I live in same area as the OP and recently the local newspaper had an article on a crack down on wrong full use of blue badges.

    https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/26247162.dwp-council-checks-cancel-blue-badges-fraud-crackdown/

    A lot of abbreviations in the posts here PCC ?

    Reading the T&A and the usage rules the one not complied with by OP will be wife not in car when arriving maybe., along with not displaying the badge.

  • shaunyman
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    edited 16 September at 10:51AM

    Thanks to Coupon Mad for that detailed response.

    Keighley retail park was owned my Essex county council from 2017, however, it was sold to an 'undisclosed buyer' in 2023/4. I have not been able to find out who the land owner is. I did find a management co who are offering retail space for rent, but they have failed to respond to my contact. TKMaxx have decline to help and also told me they are unable/unwilling to disclose any information about their landlord.

    As expected UKCPS sent me a rejection basically saying that blue badge must be displayed at all times and since it wasn't they want their money.

    They have as Coupon Mad suggested, offered me a chance to pay the reduced rate of £20.

    I am now not sure how to proceed. I regularly see in Money Saving Expert's weekly email - 'Fight unfair parking fines" or words to that effect. So is this unfair in my case? It seems to me that the PPCs make the rules, they state the rules on a sign on the wall of a carpark and we are all forced to unwillingly enter into a contract by entering the carpark. One of the rules on this occasion is that Blue Badges must be displayed at all times and for a few minutes ours was not. UKCPS clearly believe that I am therefore in breach of the contract and must pay, and clearly do see their view as being in any way unreasonable (No surprise there). I feel almost certain the IAS will, after sending me lots of platitudes regarding any points I make to them, simply support UKCPS's view. So then I take my chances with a County Court Judge. But, are the judges hands tied? He or she might agree that morally I have been treated unreasonably, but might they be forced to agree that within contract law, I was actually in breach of the contact - case closed.

    I am tempted to just pay the £20 and just get on with my life, but I appreciate that doing so only helps these 'criminals' to prey on more victims. So my final question is how likely I am to win if I take on this fight? If I can win, then I will fight, but if this is a lost cause already, then I would rather not waste the time, effort and money fighting. Do I have chance?

    Thanks to anyone who offers any advice, I do really do appreciate that there is a community here who care enough to spend your time answering queries like mine.

    Thank you - Shaun

  • dnpark38
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