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VCS no stopping County Court Appeal judgment

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  • DrLex
    DrLex Posts: 12 Forumite
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    Some useful commentary on “no stopping” cases.

    I do like HHJ Walsh’s examples of voluntary stopping in paragraph 193 “check the football scores on his mobile phone, or to rifle through his glovebox for a mint” - shades of Justice Cocklecarrot…

  • ChirpyChicken
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    It is a useful judgment

  • kryten3000
    kryten3000 Posts: 1,093 Forumite
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    Interesting points there, particularly when considering the Wharburton bridge toll where drivers have no opportunity to stop and read the signs.

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  • daveyjp
    daveyjp Posts: 14,297 Forumite
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    It would be worthwhile putting the location as Leeds Bradford Airport in the title.

  • Bazarius
    Bazarius Posts: 218 Forumite
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    edited 13 June at 11:04PM

    This appeal Judgment can be challenged further that the Airport Bylaws wasn’t considered in his Judgment . You can have reasonable excuse to stop . VCS doesn’t accept any form of excuses even if there was a concrete wall in front of them .


    “5.16 Observe Signs

    No person shall without reasonable excuse when on foot or whilst using, driving or

    propelling a Vehicle, neglect, fail or refuse to comply with an indication or direction

    given by:-

    5.16.1 A Sign erected and displayed by or with the consent of the Airport Company,

    placed on or near a private Airport road;

    5.16.2 Any road marking on such a road; or

    5.16.3 An Airport Official or a Constable for the time being engaged in the regulation of

    traffic or pedestrians.”

  • yarpsnehpets
    yarpsnehpets Posts: 57 Forumite
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    edited 14 June at 9:34AM

    Additionally, if you read the amended Toll Bridge byelaws you will see that there is clearly an attempt to introduce a convoluted wording (by the parking operator???) in order to turn a byelaw breach into some kind of civil debt which can be pursued through the County Court system - very dubious in my opinion.

    What this illustrates is a further attempt by a parking operator to 'overlay' some kind of contract on top of existing byelaws - just like the no stopping zones at the airports.

  • Car1980
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    edited 14 June at 10:21AM

    158. The District Judge held at [22]: ‘...In Beavis, as I pointed out in VCS v. Ward, the driver had ample opportunityconsider and accept the terms put forward by the claimant. In the no stopping cases,the driver has no realistic option to do this. In VCS v. Ward, for example, the firstroad sign with alleged contractual force appeared at the exit from a roundabout, meaning that the driver had no realistic opportunity to come to a halt and take areasoned decision as to whether to accepta contractual obligation or not...’(myemphasis) 

    159.I read the above as indicating that the District Judge took the view in Wardthat it waspractically impossible for the motorist to withdraw from entry at the point of firstsight of the notice. 1

    160.To the extent the District Judge was holding here, that in all no stopping cases, amotorist has ‘no realistic option’ to consider the terms before accepting the offer, Irespectfully disagree. Each case turns on its facts, and I note that, in Ward, thecontravention occurred on a commercial estate accessed directly from a roundabout. 

    161.Here, the Signs were displayed on each side of the road at the mouth of each junctionleading off Whitehouse Lane onto the Land via various access roads. 

    162.The Defendant, upon seeing these entrance signs, therefore, had a choice - he couldhave continued on Whitehouse Lane and not entered the Land, or turned onto theaccess road and entered beyond the signs. 

    163.The Defendant elected to enter and continue along the access road past the Signs. Indoing so he accepted the terms of the offer, displayed on the Signs, by conduct. The District Judge’s conclusion to the contrary, with respect, cannot stand.

    This makes no sense. The judge is claiming that you can read and refuse a contract by circling a roundabout umpteen times, glancing a line at a time, which is ridiculous.

    The only way these contracts can be successfully presented is with a Stop sign and line, and an option to U-turn.

  • yarpsnehpets
    yarpsnehpets Posts: 57 Forumite
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    edited 14 June at 12:09PM

    Further to that, a driver is, in the majority of situations, required to be in the correct lane well ahead of the moment in time when they first sight the signage.

    We all know that airport road schemes are often very busy and complex.

    In may cases a driver is 'committed' to a particular exit or turning well before reaching the point where the sign is placed.

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