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Portable split air to air

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  • QrizB
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    A few more thoughts on EERs and SEERs.

    Here's the official energy label info, which is the only performance info I have for the three products I don't own (and my own data for the EH1960 is not something that would pass muster in a UKAS lab).

    • Delonghi Pinguino EX100 - 2.5kW of cooling, EER of 3.6, power demand under test conditions (2500/3.6=) 694 watts (quoted as 0.7kW on the official energy label)
    • Delonghi Pinguino EX105A+++ - 2.5kW of cooling, EER of 4.1, power demand under test conditions (2500/4.1=) 610 watts (quoted as 0.6kW on the official energy label)
    • Premiair EH1960 portable split - 3.5kW of cooling, SEER of 5.6, power demand under test conditions (3500/5.6=) 625 watts (quoted as 219kWh/annum on the official energy label)
    • Midea Portasplit-E - 3.5kW of cooling, SEER of 6.1, power demand under test conditions (3500/6.1=) 574 watts (quoted as 201kWh/annum on the official energy label)

    As discussed previously, split systems aren't tested under the same conditions as single-ducts which is why they're assigned a SEER rather than an EER. The SEER uses a synthetic cooling season, the distribution of temperatures being as defined in Table 1 of the EU regulations that was linked a page or two ago, and the energy use is for 350 "on" hours during this season per Table 4 of the same regulations (0.625 x 350 = 219, 0.574 x 350 = 201).

    The difference in energy use between all of these isn't going to be huge. At the current SVT of about 25p/kWh:

    • For 100 hours of flat-out runtime, the two Pinguinos will will use 69kWh or 61kWh, a difference of 8kWh, which is about £2.
    • For 100 hours (2/7ths) of a standard season, the two splits running flat out will use 63kWh or 57kWh, a difference of 6kWh, which is about £1.50.

    It's tempting to compare the EX100s 69kWh to the Portasplit-E's 57kWh, but that's not fair on either of them since the standard test conditions are different which means the results aren't like-for-like. (I'll just note that it's 12kWh, £3. That's 3p/hr difference between the "best" and "worse" of the four.)

    The energy used by the Pinguinos on test should be constant, while that used by the splits will vary as test conditions move through the seasonal outdoor temperature distribution. I don't know (because it's not measured during the test, or reported as part of the energy label) what EER the splits would deliver if tested under the same constant "indoor=outdoor=35C" conditions as the Pinguinos.

    In extremes of temperature (like the record-breaking days we've seen recently) the splits will draw more power but will continue to deliver 3.5kW of cooling until their compressors hit 100% of rated power (the EH1960 manual says 1200 watts, so I must've been at or close to the max in the previous heatwave a couple of weeks ago). The single-ducts will continue to draw the same amount of power but will lose net cooling capacity due to ingress of outside air. Which you prefer is a matter of choice and circumstance.

    And that's probably enough navel-gazing for one evening!

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  • tfhnota
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    If the Met app was reporting temperatures accurately prices would be even higher, I guess, they had Torbay at 26 degrees at midday yesterday, my shaded house was 27 degrees inside and south facing garden 36 degrees... It is still "cool" enough to sleep at night and I have the option of decamping to one of the north facing rooms if it gets much hotter. My morning ambulations gave the impression of about 40 degrees and I was happy to get back home and strip off. I have lived in hotter countries and survived but at my age would not bother to revisit them but even there I much preferred to leave the air-conditioner rumbling away when I was out and returned to a chill room but slept under a fan rather than with the air-conditioner running.

  • QrizB
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    I'm sorry to hear you're finding it torrid, thfnota. Hopefully it won't last all that much longer; the forecast here for the coming week is 30/29/30/30/30/29/27 which is slightly cooler and promises to tail off next weekend.

    This morning it's been overcast and a pleasant 17C to start. The cloud is now breaking up so it's time to close the windows and go back to hiding in the shade.

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  • QrizB
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    I linked earlier to a Washington Post article about Europe's surge in air conditioner purchases and the remarkable popularity of the Midea Portasplit.

    Now the BBC has written an article about it:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c86262j7j75o?utm_source=flipboard&utm_medium=activitypub

    I think I would agree that the Midea Portasplit is better styled than my Premiair EH1960, the smart home integration on the Portasplit is better, and it claims a slightly higher SEER. Nevertheless I'm happy with my Premiair (which is sold under half a dozen other brand names in other EU countries).

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  • QrizB
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    With the change in seasons comes a change in location for my portable split.

    No longer is it on my landing, ready and waiting to cool my house (something it hasn't been called upon to do for a month and a half). Instead, it's now downstairs in the hall. From there it should be able to heat a good part of my house when the weather cools.

    As mentioned in the opening post, it claims a heating SCOP of 4. If that proves to be true, it should turn out to be cheaper to run than my gas boiler for most of the season. Possibly for all of it.

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  • NedS
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    With a SCOP of 4, and you mentioning your average import price of ~10p/kWh, it's going to be a lot cheaper than gas (~2.5p/kWh). Hopefully you will only need your gas boiler to supplement in the very coldest of weather.

    Do you have sufficient battery capacity to last the day though if you switch to electric heating, or do you plan to run it mostly overnight during cheap rate from the grid?

    Any idea what your heat loss (gas usage on coldest day / 24) is and the heat output of the unit?

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  • Reed_Richards
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    @QrizB how do you give your portable split … access to the outside air without creating a huge (counterproductive) draft though the open window?

    Reed
  • Martyn1981
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    Sheet of PIR cut to fit?

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