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Government Pensions Dashboard

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  • PensionsStuff
    PensionsStuff Posts: 27 Forumite
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    You realise, amongst acting like your the most knowledgeable person in the world, this hasn't been going out for 20 years... right ?

    The idea was first discussed back around that time, but in no way shape or form progressed, the current general idea of the dashboard actually was again put forward in 2014.

    Government commitments were then in place from around 2017 or so which included a prototype, waiting on the 2021 act to pass to put it in legislation, and then the dashboards regulation in 2022 requiring schemes to act.

    So in reality, its been at best since 2021 for the government and pension providers to actuslly be moving forward with resources, commitments and time frames.

  • AlwaysLearnin
    AlwaysLearnin Posts: 930 Forumite
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    It appears to suggest there will be a £2.54m pot, producing £161k p/y in 2039…!

  • hyubh
    hyubh Posts: 3,809 Forumite
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    edited 22 May at 5:19PM

    'What they're doing is cross-matching the person's NI to their own database.'

    What each scheme (or in practice their Dashboard ISP) is doing is cross matching potentially a range of data items - see here for the full list:

    https://www.pensionsdashboardsprogramme.org.uk/standards/data-standards#Finddata(reference)

    It is down the scheme to define what it will use. The MoneyHelper Dashboard (or OneLogin) doesn't see the personal details held by the scheme, rather the scheme matches to the details provided by the Dashboard/OneLogin.

    'This remains Database 101 - whether the data is loaded/transformed within one database or done via a real-time/on-the-fly for a single record to multiple dispersed systems.'

    Pensions Dashboard hasn't been late coming because people have forgotten the syntax for a SQL join…

    All that was required technically was a standards agreement for the data fields, how that data may be presented, and the transport protocols.

    That has all been done.

    The other obstacle would be the agreement between the parties to share the data. Technically, this is bread and butter stuff for anybody familiar with data warehousing.

    Data is not being shared in some massive data warehouse! This really isn't the civil liberties and data protection disaster zone you assume 😉

    I am still at a loss as to why it should take the better part of 20 years for such a simple system.

    There hasn't been 20 years of development. While the system currently in testing has formally been in the works for 5 years, that's only because the previous government put everything on hold for the general election, and the current government has been in no hurry to enable general availability. Frankly, unless there is a highly committed pensions minister in place, there is little incentive to flick the switch, the risk of being blamed for another government IT disaster (regardless of the facts on the ground) are too high. Any given pensions minister ('Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Pensions') is only in post for a short while - the current government is already on its second.

  • hyubh
    hyubh Posts: 3,809 Forumite
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    You missed the smiley…

    As it wasn't obvious - I do not think you believe Pensions Dashboard to be 'a civil liberties and data protection disaster zone'. In fact quite the opposite - as you continue to insinuate the main hold up has been government unfamiliarity with the SQL join syntax, I think you have a radical lack of concern for civil liberties and data protection considerations, whether real or (from a government minister's point of view) potentially imagined by the media.

    'that it is still only just at the pilot stage is quite staggering'

    It's basically all there, just not with full access - most schemes (and all schemes of any substantive size) are actually connected and processing find requests through their ISPs. And call me an industry shill if you like, but personally I think from an end user perspective the UI design of the MoneyHelper Dashboard is pretty good - it's a tough gig presenting DB and DC schemes in a consistent, generic fashion. If it were down to me, I'd speed up opening the thing to full public access, not push it back yet again. However I'm not a junior minister in an unpopular government…

    PS - while the mechanics of matching individuals to pension memberships has not been the big blocker you seem to assume, that's not to say it hasn't been subject to discussion. Significantly, it was the government that stressed early on that NI numbers can't be considered the be all and end all, and indeed shouldn't even be assumed at all. It's then been on the pensions industry to do the work to fit into government requirements - the current PASA guidance is here if you're interested:

    https://www.pasa-uk.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/PASA-Data-Matching-Convention-DMC-guidance-FINAL.pdf.

    (PASA = The Pensions Administration Standards Association, an industry body)

  • hyubh
    hyubh Posts: 3,809 Forumite
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    Let's say the government announced tomorrow they were hiring Palantir to implement a centralised pension dashboard, and as part of the implementation, will be mandating all pension schemes to give the company direct access to the personal data they hold. Do you not think that might not get… some pushback…?

  • sandsy
    sandsy Posts: 1,762 Forumite
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    For a DC pot, it's based on a level single life annuity, as if the individual had reached their retirement age, and assumes no tax free cash is taken - same as an annual benefit statement.

  • flaneurs_lobster
    flaneurs_lobster Posts: 11,958 Forumite
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    Is not the real reason that the Pensions Dashboard project is not exactly motoring is because there is little financial benefit to the pension administrators in implementing the thing?

    Having worked on a major financial infrastructure project that involved many major players and regulators, the thing that drove it forward to completion (on time and under budget) was the actual, real cost savings to be gained.

  • fifeken
    fifeken Posts: 2,773 Forumite
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    when I try and login using the one login on a web browser, it says I
    haven't created an account yet. This is despite receiving e-mails with
    authentication codes to continue with the creation of the account.

    IGNORE. It seems like depending on which route you take, it either works or it doesn't. Appears to be working now

    Can you tell me what route took you to the GOV.UK One login. I seem to be getting something similar in that it tells me my email is not registered when I go here:

    https://www.gov.uk/account

  • disgruntled1234
    disgruntled1234 Posts: 89 Forumite
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    If I go from this page ("https://www.gov.uk/log-in-register-hmrc-online-services" and select "Sign in>") and select the second option, when I put in my e-mail address, it says I'm not registered.

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    However, if I go to "https://signin.account.gov.uk/enter-email" and enter my e-mail address there, then it prompts for my password and then a 6 digit code sent to my mobile which then logs me in.

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  • hyubh
    hyubh Posts: 3,809 Forumite
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    For sure it's just another expense and potential queries faff, and schemes missing existing connection dates by a couple of months have been let off, however only very small schemes are yet to connect with a deadline for the end of this October (https://www.pensionsdashboardsprogramme.org.uk/progress-update-report - 'As of December 2025, 700 pension providers and schemes have completed connection, representing over 60 million workplace and personal pension records. In addition, the State Pension has now connected…').

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