OFNL for new estates why so expensive

Dirty_olier

OK so is this another monopoly scam for the big developers? I’m on a relatively new build housing development and I HAVE TO use One Fibre Network ONFL for broadband and Sky TV. Normal offers from all of the big name providers that are much cheaper are not available to me and the so called better deals through ONFL are quite a bit more expensive.
Who is this a good deal for and how is it allowed as surely it’s a monopoly position. For example Sky full fibre in my area is £22pm but through OFNL it’s £31pm (with Sky) is the cheapest available . Other providers in the ‘normal’ area are even cheaper. Yes there are other choices and other providers but no mainstream names and they are all way more. Where is all the extra cost going!

I can’t see anyone questioning this or wanting doing anything about it so why is this? There must be tens of thousands of households being forced to pay these uncompetitive fees. Is this one for Martin to question and delve into?,

JSmithy45AD

They'll have done a deal with the developers for a period (whatever that may be) and contributed to the cost of the infrastructure, it all needs to be paid for. Mobile or even satellite BB are your other options.

JSmithy45AD

What do you get for your £31pm by the way?

iniltous

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81948782#Comment_81948782

It’s not a deal for a period of time but forever , it’s the developer chosing to have no other provider network available and effectively locking out everyone else but the network they are in cahoots with , basically forcing the home owners to use that network ( or mobile ) , and as there is no compulsory physical infrastructure access like Openreach are obliged to offer , no other network provider will bother after the roads and footpaths are adopted by the local council that’s when other networks are allowed to excavate for their own ducts / jointboxes etc., but the economics will never make sense , Openreach won’t take a punt , the build costs they would have just enable the Alt Nets (using PIA ) to effectively to get a free ride , why spend money for the benefit of their competitors (incredibly Openreach don’t get an exclusivity period on their own investment ) and the Alt Nets won’t commit to the expense when they can leech onto existing Openreach infrastructure somewhere else in the country and get more coverage for very little expenditure.

The only way these mini monopolies will be affected is if they are required by Ofcom in the same way Openreach are , to open up their ducts etc to competitors, or to have genuine regulated wholesale prices , but they won’t do that voluntarily and Ofcom won’t do anything about this , it’s not a new situation either , areas with only the developers choice of network like OFNL (there are others that do the same as them ) have been around for decades.

subjecttocontract

Presumably there is a chance that because the developer cut a deal with just one provider, the financial package they agreed meant that either the properties were a little cheaper or the developer made a larger profit.

iniltous

For a developer, that could use Openreach (for example ) but chose not to and pick an ( in comparison) tiny niche provider with few if any recognisable ISP’s on board they clearly must have some incentive made by the network to make that decision, however with some new build sites that have closed network (Persimmon Homes for example) they actually are the ‘owner’ of the fibre network as well as the developer….its very unlikely that this makes any difference at all to the price the developer sets for the properties

35har1old

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81948802#Comment_81948802

Are the roads and footpaths going to be maintained by the developer?

Virgin same to have no bother excavating adopted footpaths and roads just doesn't look the best

35har1old

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81949425#Comment_81949425

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81948802#Comment_81948802

Openreach does get paid for the use of its infrastructure

marcia_

same when we moved into a new build. It was bt only as virgin hadn't laid any lines. They have only just done so 15 yrs later along with bt doing full fibre

iniltous

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81949426#Comment_81949426

Yes Openreach do get a fee if Alt Nets use PIA , a peppercorn rent , a few pennies per meter per year , what’s more should a Alt Net use up all the space in or on Openreach infrastructure meaning that no further Openreach cables (for example) can be placed in Openreach’s own duct or on their pole , Openreach can’t evict the Alt Net saying they need the space themselves. they have to construct new infrastructure for themselves to use that immediately is available to the competitors via PIA …., what’s more , given this post is about OFNL infrastructure having a monopoly in a local area , you don’t seem to appreciate that the only reason why I mentioned Openreach and PIA , is its the main reason why OR are not going to be interested in retro fitting these areas , if someone says VM may do excavation after the roads are adopted and provide an alternative , maybe they will , but then they don’t have to offer PIA (so they don’t ) therefore that expensive work is exclusively for their own benefit ( but even then it’s not very likely)

If as you imply PIA is a money maker why doesn’t anyone else do it ? , it’s because it would be like turkeys voting for Christmas , self defeating.

Timalay

seethelight is part of Sky, but they run off the OFNL network. You might be able to haggle a migration with Sky over them.