Post mediation

Milber

I've only recently been looking on this forum but certainly wished I had several months ago when I got my ticket.

I have just filled out the n180 form as per a template I found on this forum so I'm waiting for a mediation call , I have already offered B W legal £20 and it seems the advice is not to offer any more.

In my case i simply didn't see the signs, I have been up recently and there are several in the carpark although not right in the corner where I was parked but my argument may seem weak.

My question is I was probably only there for 7-8 minutes does the 10min grace period reasonable grounds for defence?

Gr1pr

Your defence has already been submitted, so i suggest that you post a copy below

You dont normally get a second go

Name the claimant too

Milber

The claimant is UK parking patrol Office limited.

The car park is a petrol station next to Newcastle Airport.

I submitted a defence on mcol but been having a nightmare trying to log back in, they haven't sent me an email or a postal copy so it's just from memory.

Their complaint is i parked in the carpark for the 'sole purpose' of picking someone up from the airport.

My defence was basically that it was not my sole purpose as I pulled into the garage to get some refreshments before I collected my friend from the airport.

However when I arrived at the garage his flight had landed early and he was already outside the airport. He said he would just walk over which he did.

I honestly can't remember if I bought refreshments or not but I don't have a receipt.

I only read about the 10 min grace after submitting my defence as I was probably only there 7 or 8 min.

I had an initial letter from UPPOL which I didn't respond to as it was the usual pay xx or else. They then involved B W legal with their threatening letters of escalation which I did respond to and have told the court I responded to them but with no reply except more threatening letters.

So I'm now at the point where we've both submitted n180 forms .

Bit long winded and I'm late to mse but advice would be appreciated.

Thanks

Gr1pr

Your defence and N180 are logged and you appear to have completed the mediation stage , or will do soon ( follow the advice in the 8 steps in the defence template thread in announcements )

Then wait For the claim to be transferred to your local civil court and then wait for the court order from your local court to arrive in the post ( its all by letters )

Car1980

Relax. Your Witness Statement is where you can bring all this up.

Assuming it gets that far.

Milber

Update.

I had my mediation today which they offered me £160 to cancel proceedings, which I refused .

The question is during the mediation I mentioned the 10min grace period for parking and they said that rule is invalid as the claim is for picking someone up.

Is that the case?

Gr1pr

In that case the Jopson case may apply, picking up or dropping off is not parking, a case on here was won on that fact in a courtroom recently

Relax, wait for your local civil court to send you a court order in the post in due course

Milber

I did get out of the car for 6 or 7 minutes

Coupon-mad

The PCN wasn't issued for "picking someone up" and I doubt the signs created a contractual term for that.

However, it was the silliest thing to do at an Airport!

If it was that simple to avoid using the car park (almost certainly free for short time one-off pick up visits), don't you think everyone would use the petrol station? There's a reason people don't.

Clearly there's ANPR all over Airports and drivers simply must not do this. You should have said "No, I can't do that at an Airport petrol station. We'll meet in the long stay car park. Hop on the shuttle bus and I'll see you there".

Hmmm… have you also admitted to driving at some point when disputing this? Oh dear, you did:

"My defence was basically that it was not my sole purpose as I pulled into the garage to get some refreshments before I collected my friend from the airport."

Huge mistake!

That is a pretty weak defence (sorry). The judge won't believe that this wasn't pre-planned. You'll struggle if you keep saying this. It just doesn't ring true.

It was really ill-advised (the pick up and also that defence).

We wish you'd come here first as this will go to a hearing and because you threw away the registered keeper's lack of liability argument by announcing that you were driving, your only hope is poor signage.

Car1980

Show us your photos please.

Is there an entrance sign?

Milber

Update, I've just had my letter from the court but after reading the comments above once I admitted to driving the car I have no real defence.

So the question is should i offer to pay the £160 or what would be the maximum the court could fine me?

Thanks