Shawbrook 7 years fixed rate, would you go for that?

thefrank

Shawbrook bank website is offering a quite rare (or let's say unusual) 7 years fixed rate Bond at 4.21% interest (and an Isa version at 4.14% with deposit allowed in the first 90 days that it is useful even for those who have already maxed out this year allowance and they must wait for April). Would you put £1000 on that ? Do you value certainty or, given the very long period, would you put the same money on a stock and share fund ?

InvesterJones

No. Could get a gilt at 4.486% which is low coupon therefore largely tax free for the same duration.

wmb194

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6660163/shawbrook-7-years-fixed-rate-would-you-go-for-that

For an inaccessible 7 year savings bond I'd want at least 5%. If you want a known return for seven years I'd buy a 2033 gilt rather than this: 4.45% and you can sell it anytime. TG33's a low coupon gilt so most of the return would be tax free when it matures but not much good for ongoing income.

mark_cycling00

Can't see the column headings but I think you're saying it costs £77 but you'd get £100 in 2033.

This gain would be tax free?

And the c1% annual coupon would count as income?

Thanks

Albermarle

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6660163/shawbrook-7-years-fixed-rate-would-you-go-for-that

The ISA would be more attractive because apart from the tax issue, Shawbrook allow new contributions throughout the fixed term ( unusually). So if in some years time interest rates had dropped a lot, that would be a nice advantage. So probably at least worth a punt to put a £1000 in just to get it open.

Always good though to check the T's & C's to make sure this still applies.

Newbie_John

Yes, if you spend £7781, you will get £10000 tax free in 2033.

7/8% so about £68 yearly is treated as income and taxable if you're over limits.

In theory you can sell it but.. if interest rates go up to 10% it will lose a lot in value so may need to keep till maturity date. And vice versa, it may go up in price if they drop to 1% :D

thefrank

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81927323#Comment_81927323

In this case appears that the limit to deposit money is the first 90 days, while the last 5 years Bond allowed deposit throughout the entire term.

Altior

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81927325#Comment_81927325

Demonstrating that it's a gamble on inflation as much as interest rates.

There is a point where the gamble is worthwhile, but for me it would need to be much higher than circa 4%!

It's actually the gamble in the opposite direction I would be more inclined to take currently, fixing a mortgage for that long. In fact I did just that in 2021 for this length of time, at around 2%.

clairec666

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81927323#Comment_81927323

Looks like T&Cs might have changed a bit. Sounds to me like you can only fund it in the first 90 days. And they also allow you to open multiple ISAs with them in a tax year, whereas previously you couldn't.

wmb194

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81927315#Comment_81927315

Website link below. Capital gains on gilts and other “qualifying” sterling bonds are tax free but on the flip side losses aren’t allowable against taxable capital gains.

https://giltsyield.com/bond/

InvesterJones

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81927370#Comment_81927370

But no more a gamble on inflation than a 7 yr fixed savings account (less, actually, because the return is higher).