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  • Vectis
    Vectis Posts: 789 Forumite
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    Marvel1 said:
    https://haveibeenpwned.com/ should tell you if your email address has been exposed (or more likely when) and in which hack.
    Also advises what has been leaked - including passwords.

    So, we're talking here about security breaches, i.e. emails and passwords being taken, and this site actually asks you to type in your email and passwords to apparently check them?

    Surely the first lesson you'd learn in cybersecurity is not to be telling anonymous websites your passwords and email address?

    It may be completely legit, I don't know, but the more different places you tell your passwords to, surely the more chance you have of them being taken?
  • booneruk
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    edited 24 January at 1:11PM
    Vectis said:
    Marvel1 said:
    https://haveibeenpwned.com/ should tell you if your email address has been exposed (or more likely when) and in which hack.
    Also advises what has been leaked - including passwords.

    So, we're talking here about security breaches, i.e. emails and passwords being taken, and this site actually asks you to type in your email and passwords to apparently check them?

    Surely the first lesson you'd learn in cybersecurity is not to be telling anonymous websites your passwords and email address?

    It may be completely legit, I don't know, but the more different places you tell your passwords to, surely the more chance you have of them being taken?
    It doesn't ask for passwords. It asks for your email address, then it checks it against known data leaks. If it matches any it will highlight what was leaked, username, personal data, passwords etc.
  • flaneurs_lobster
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    edited 24 January at 1:23PM
    Vectis said:
    Marvel1 said:
    https://haveibeenpwned.com/ should tell you if your email address has been exposed (or more likely when) and in which hack.
    Also advises what has been leaked - including passwords.

    So, we're talking here about security breaches, i.e. emails and passwords being taken, and this site actually asks you to type in your email and passwords to apparently check them?

    Surely the first lesson you'd learn in cybersecurity is not to be telling anonymous websites your passwords and email address?

    It may be completely legit, I don't know, but the more different places you tell your passwords to, surely the more chance you have of them being taken?
    You make a good point. I think "haveibeenpwned" is a useful resource to check if your email address has been exposed, although any active email address that's been in use for a few years is likely to be on there, some of those breaches contain millions of addresses.

    Passwords, however, I think should be personal. If you are daft enough to use a short, uncomplicated password in more than one place then it might be a useful kick up the backside to change it if you do the check.

    haveibeenpawned is a long-established (in internet terms) and well respected site, if they started leaking passwords then I suspect it would be noticed very quickly.

    Far more secure is using unique, random, 20+ character passwords, different for every site that needs them (using a password manager is the only realistic way of managing this for more than a few sites). I won't be bothering to check havibeenpwned for those. They also get changed reasonably regularly.

    Even better is to get rid of passwords altogether, although there are only a few sites that will actually allow you to do this despite all the hype around passkeys etc - out of the ~1k sites that I hold login credentials for I've only removed all passwords for 2.
  • mikb
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    edited 24 January at 3:16PM
    Vectis said:
    Marvel1 said:
    https://haveibeenpwned.com/ should tell you if your email address has been exposed (or more likely when) and in which hack.
    Also advises what has been leaked - including passwords.

    So, we're talking here about security breaches, i.e. emails and passwords being taken, and this site actually asks you to type in your email and passwords to apparently check them?

    Surely the first lesson you'd learn in cybersecurity is not to be telling anonymous websites your passwords and email address?

    It may be completely legit, I don't know, but the more different places you tell your passwords to, surely the more chance you have of them being taken?

    haveibeenpawned is a long-established (in internet terms) and well respected site, if they started leaking passwords then I suspect it would be noticed very quickly.
    Despite worries posted above, they do not request your passwords. Any passwords in their possession are part of the data breaches that have occurred (and it would be nice to think they redacted them from their OWN storage of that data, in case _they_ got hacked). 
    You provide an email address, or if you want, you can monitor * @ yourdomain.com to look for ANY breaches if you use multiple addresses (you will need to do a proof-of-ownership for the domain).
  • Ergates
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    Vectis said:
    Marvel1 said:
    https://haveibeenpwned.com/ should tell you if your email address has been exposed (or more likely when) and in which hack.
    Also advises what has been leaked - including passwords.

    So, we're talking here about security breaches, i.e. emails and passwords being taken, and this site actually asks you to type in your email and passwords to apparently check them?


    No, obviously not.  What would give you that idea?
  • flaneurs_lobster
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    Ergates said:
    Vectis said:
    Marvel1 said:
    https://haveibeenpwned.com/ should tell you if your email address has been exposed (or more likely when) and in which hack.
    Also advises what has been leaked - including passwords.

    So, we're talking here about security breaches, i.e. emails and passwords being taken, and this site actually asks you to type in your email and passwords to apparently check them?


    No, obviously not.  What would give you that idea?
    haveibeenpawned.com? Yes, this is exactly what it asks you to do. For password lookups there is cryptographic hashing in place so that the password entered is never actually revealed in plain text on the site. 

    FWIW, HIBP has been in existence since 2013.

    Sorry if that response was ironic. 
  • Ergates
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    Ergates said:
    Vectis said:
    Marvel1 said:
    https://haveibeenpwned.com/ should tell you if your email address has been exposed (or more likely when) and in which hack.
    Also advises what has been leaked - including passwords.

    So, we're talking here about security breaches, i.e. emails and passwords being taken, and this site actually asks you to type in your email and passwords to apparently check them?


    No, obviously not.  What would give you that idea?
    haveibeenpawned.com? Yes, this is exactly what it asks you to do. For password lookups there is cryptographic hashing in place so that the password entered is never actually revealed in plain text on the site. 

    FWIW, HIBP has been in existence since 2013.

    Sorry if that response was ironic. 
    It doesn't ask for email AND password though.  It searches email OR password.   Critical difference (as there is no association between the two).
  • flaneurs_lobster
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    Ergates said:
    Ergates said:
    Vectis said:
    Marvel1 said:
    https://haveibeenpwned.com/ should tell you if your email address has been exposed (or more likely when) and in which hack.
    Also advises what has been leaked - including passwords.

    So, we're talking here about security breaches, i.e. emails and passwords being taken, and this site actually asks you to type in your email and passwords to apparently check them?


    No, obviously not.  What would give you that idea?
    haveibeenpawned.com? Yes, this is exactly what it asks you to do. For password lookups there is cryptographic hashing in place so that the password entered is never actually revealed in plain text on the site. 

    FWIW, HIBP has been in existence since 2013.

    Sorry if that response was ironic. 
    It doesn't ask for email AND password though.  It searches email OR password.   Critical difference (as there is no association between the two).
    Ah, understand. Yes, that's a crucial point that I didn't make clear.
  • donnac2558
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  • flaneurs_lobster
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    I personally am not claiming for anything.

    Just wanted to say the no claim join a class action companies are advertising.
    Ambulance chasers are always looking for a new flashing blue light to follow.

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