Eon renewal - 60% increase and no justification!

MWT

PThomas_2 said:

MWT said:

PThomas_2 said:

I cannot see how any energy Company can justify such an increase?
I have asked them to explain and they left a voicemail saying its not a 60% increase, and will try and call me back. From everything I can see online, these tariffs are correct.

Controversial perhaps, but flip this around, how can you possibly justify getting angry about being able to buy energy at 7.5p/kWh when most people on the Standard Variable Tariff are paying twice that amount... ?

... OK... full disclosure, i obtain roughly 99.7% of my annual energy at 7p/kWh, through a combination of an EV tariff and a large home battery, and if anything were to change that 7p to say 15p, I'd be sad for sure, but I'd be happy about the years I've spent paying very little compared to others.

Your energy supplier was probably over ambitions in setting the rate as low as they did and adjusting it up a bit was not unreasonable.

Ultimately you and I have no right to be able to get tariffs at such very low rates, and if they do vary a bit from time to time then so be it.

If that small variation in combination with other small variations results in a larger swing because of our pattern of use then so be it.

I am less concerned about the rise here, but almost 40% rise on day rate is not acceptable. 

It is reality though, the original day rate was really too low and now it is closer to E7 rates which is the same for most suppliers.

The problem for you is not the tariff rate change it is that you are not really best suited to the tariff you are on as you do not have a full EV and charging a PHEV at daytime rates is crazy. 

Most people on the EV tariffs will not have your balance of day to night use as they will be using the night rate a lot more...

QrizB

MWT said:

The problem for you is not the tariff rate change it is that you are not really best suited to the tariff you are on as you do not have a full EV and charging a PHEV at daytime rates is crazy. 

That does seem to be the root of the OP's issue, yes. Using 20-mile-range PHEVs as though they were full EVs.

Mrs QrizB has a small, cheap EV (VW e-UP!) but even so it has 5-7x the battery range of the OP's PHEVs.

MWT said:

Most people on the EV tariffs will not have your balance of day to night use as they will be using the night rate a lot more...

Yes, we're buying 80-90% of our electricity on the off-peak rate and our composite cost is around 10p/kWh.

OP's current composite cost is 18p/kWh and on the new tariff it would rise to almost 25p/kWh. Ignoring export, they'd be better off with a cheap single-rate fix rather than the new Drive tariff (they're only marginally better off now vs. matelodave's OFTM fix).

NorthEastLight

PThomas_2 said:

Unfortunately both our PHEV's only have a 20mile range, so they end up needing recharging during the day. Other high usage is likely to be the tumble dryer when the weather is too cold or wet to dry clothes outside. As we have to put the hose out of the window at the moment, we can't really run it overnight.

It would be helpful to understand how much of that day use is EV charging.

If you're set on re-charging during the day then standard single rate electricity tariffs with anytime EV charging bolt ons may work better. See the Scottish Power EV Optimise and OVO offers in the MSE list of EV tariffs, but you would need to check if you can successfully manage two cars. Fuse may work too.

matelodave

The OP's standing charge is also 20p/day more than mine which also adds another £70 a year for the dubious privilege of his EV tariff.

They only work if you can maximise the use of  off-peak v peak rate. That's why I don't have a special heat pump tariff. I'll end up with a lot of grief from SWMBO if the place gets cold or she feels constrained by using leccy during certain times. (We've been married for well over 56 years so I know what's possible and what's unacceptable)

NorthEastLight

As a further thought, if OP can avoid charging and tumble drying in the 4-7pm window then the non EV ToU tariffs like Octopus Agile and EDF FreePhase may have potential.

digitaldai

I’m about to start looking too, as I’m in a similar position  E.ON Next Drive + export, and both are getting steadily worse.

Ecotricity still seem to offer 16p/kWh export, which looks attractive, but I’m unclear whether you can be on their EV tariff at the same time. Has anyone managed that combination?Also, has anyone switched SEG providers separately from their import tariff?

Is it as straightforward as switching a normal electricity account, or is there extra paperwork / delays involved? I’ve been with E.ON for around 5 years, so I’m not sure how painless the process is these days.

I’m sure there’s a sweet spot somewhere, but to be fair E.ON’s setup has been excellent, I’ve almost never had to use daytime electricity. Moving away might mean being much more hands-on with battery management:

• charging batteries overnight if solar looks poor

• or even setting up a Home Assistant automation to check the next-day forecast and decide whether to grid-charge overnight.

Would really appreciate hearing what others are doing, especially anyone who’s found a good EV + SEG pairing recently, or knows of a comparison tool worth using.

MWT

digitaldai said:

Also, has anyone switched SEG providers separately from their import tariff?

There should be no great difficulty in doing that, but it usually isn't worth it as most if not all suppliers reserve the higher SEG rates for those taking their import from them as well. The SEG only rates are usually a lot lower.

digitaldai said:

Would really appreciate hearing what others are doing, especially anyone who’s found a good EV + SEG pairing recently, or knows of a comparison tool worth using.

Intelligent Octopus Go + Outgoing Octopus works for me, but don't expect the high export rates to last forever, they are likely to come down in the near future...

QrizB

MWT said:

... but don't expect the high export rates to last forever, they are likely to come down in the near future...

Although I've been warning of that for two+ years now, and it hasn't happened yet!

MWT

QrizB said:

MWT said:

... but don't expect the high export rates to last forever, they are likely to come down in the near future...

Although I've been warning of that for two+ years now, and it hasn't happened yet!

True, but until recently other suppliers were also keeping theirs high, but now E.ON have broken ranks I think the others will follow ...

Octopus were offering a 'fixed' version of Octopus Outgoing but that went away middle of last year in anticipation of a fall.

Even if the headline rate doesn't fall, I wouldn't be surprised to see it limited to the non-smart tariffs, like E.ON, to avoid the increasing ability for consumer arbitrage.

QrizB

Coming back to this thread, I see Next Drive Fixed v17 has a 6p/kWh off-peak import rate.

Screenshot of Southern region rates below.